Looks like another Odumba lie comes out
Stephen Moore, an economist with the Wall Street Journal, appeared on Fox News recently to discuss the ramifications of the president’s new health care law…and his analysis is sure to come as a shock to those who haven’t been following the matter closely.
Though Barack Obama assured the middle class he would not raise taxes on those making less than $200,000 a year, Moore’s research shows that in reality, a significant percentage of the burden will be shouldered by those making $120,000 or less by the year 2016.
Here are rough numbers of how the costs will increase over the next few years:
(Photo: Screen Grab/FOX)
“Why do you think that somehow,” host Alisyn Camerota asked, “this equates to a tax to everyone?”
“Well, the court decided this the other day, didn’t they Alisyn?” Moore responded with a smile.
“And you know there’s an old saying that if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. I’ll tell you this, for Americans who are going to have to pay these fines, penalties, taxes, whatever you want to call them…What we found is it’s going to be pretty darn expensive. The taxes phase in over time so next year they might be pretty modest, by about 2015 or ‘16, for families that choose not to buy health insurance, you’re talking about a fine, Alisyn, that could be over $2,000 a year.”
From there, Camerota said that she had an example of these fines, “or taxes, as you call them.”
Rather than reiterate that a primary reason the bill was upheld was because it was determined to be a tax by the Supreme Court, Moore concluded: “You remember the president’s promise that when he was elected, no one making under $200,000 would pay a dime more in taxes…Again, whatever you want to call it Alisyn, fines, taxes, penalties, but three quarters of those costs will fall on the backs of families who make less than $120,00 a year, so it’s a big punch in the stomach to middle class families.”
Watch the entire exchange, below:
By: aranger45
In: Politics
Tags: WSJ, Economist:, Brunt, of, ‘Obamacare, ’ Costs, Will, Be, Shouldered, by, Those, Making, Under, $120K
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The people who thought they were going to rape and pillage the wealthy to pay for their medical care are in for an awakening. A guy making $400k/year is not even going to notice the $2,085 hit. The guy making $40k/yr just lost a sizeable chunk.
The penalty is phased in, why? If the savings are immediate and these penalties offset the savings, why wait to impose the maximum?
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByYukon6400 (1012.12) Yukon6400 View Channel Send Message
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@Yukon6400 Wait until after the election to phase in a giant tax increase? Nah, coincidence.
Posted Jun-30-2012 Bykajidono (686.56)

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You know what pisses off liberals the most? That there will always be rich people, no matter the political system or how much they try to punish success.
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByChumCannon (1485.72) 
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@ChumCannon You know what pisses off conservatives the most? Blacks, gays, women, atheists, muslims, the poor, peace, logic, intelligence, reason...
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byhellgremlin (763.22) hellgremlin Send Message
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@hellgremlin Well, right now the libs are ecstatic because they know that Obama Care is really about control. Now they can tax risk if there is a chance of a cost to the HC system.
Nothing at all to do with liberal compassion and liberal caring.
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByBarrySoetoro (226.14) 
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@hellgremlin You've just proven your FAR LEFT agenda once again.
What pisses off the right the lame and lazy and guys like ME have to fucking pay for it.
Get off of your fucking racist excuses every time there's a problem. YOU'RE the problem !
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByGulf Flyer (1946.14)

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@ChumCannon Who doesn't want rich people dummy?
Posted Jun-30-2012 Bycdlcrash (349.80) 
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@Gulf Flyer Proven my "far left agenda" once again?
You stupid idiot, I've been on the far left ever since I came to this filthy, white-supremacist infested website. You just notice this now? Are you fucking retarded? Way to be timely with your comment.
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byhellgremlin (763.22) hellgremlin Send Message
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Another cost shareholder will be veterans, forced to change from the VA to state programs.
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byjoe prole (1709.40) 
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@joe prole LIE
Posted Aug-5-2012 ByJust Wondering (-0.70) 
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oh well you guys didnt want ron paul so enjoy, there is way more of this to come
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByLostSomewhereInSpace (2539.50) 
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Health insurance premiums will continue to go up, health care service will continue to go down, if Obama is re-elected the economy will continue to linger and probably go down. Therefore, hopefully NoBama.
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByNagold (197.18) 
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@Nagold
Where's your support for this, hmm? Just believing what you read instead of seeing the whole picture is intellectually retarded. Your lack of knowledge of the current health care system and the new healthcare system is extremely evident here.
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byseangail (99.34) seangail View Channel Send Message
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@seangail I would believe Fox News and the Wall Street Journal over YOU any day of the week.
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByNagold (197.18) 
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@Nagold LOL! Indeed. Liberals hate facts, even when they are shoved up their ass by people in their own party.
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byyorba (1021.58) yorba View Channel Send Message
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@Nagold Unfortunately, being that it is Fox News and Credibility with regards to Fox News is less than credible, you obviously made the wrong choice. And yet you still have not supported your comments with your own evidence and this "interview" is so far from accurate. This gentleman is far from the truth and lacks the understanding:
Let me educate you:
Much of the cost burden will be shouldered by the health care industry and employers that provide workers with insurance. The Affor More..
Posted Jul-1-2012 Byseangail (99.34) seangail View Channel Send Message
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@Nagold
Fox News? Enough said.
Posted Jul-1-2012 Byseangail (99.34) seangail View Channel Send Message
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Big pharma had some major layoffs this month (GSK, Pfizer, Roche,) all in the areas of research. That's disturbing. Those effected by Obamacare will be our children's children, not us, as every procedure follows a documented government regime and guideline. (Why does that sound scary?) And you thought the insurance company guidelines were bad? Wait. And let's again remember that Obama is holding to his record of not creating jobs in America, it appears he's eliminating them.
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byknowyourlimit (94.72) knowyourlimit View Channel Send Message
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@knowyourlimit Were your mother and father brother and sister by any chance?
Posted Jun-30-2012 Bycdlcrash (349.80) 
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@cdlcrash Nope. And I don't have a sister.
Posted Jul-1-2012 Byknowyourlimit (94.72) knowyourlimit View Channel Send Message
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@cdlcrash ~frivolous reply from a ditrtbag commie shill for obunghole and the party of the disease-spreading faggot crowd.
Posted Jul-1-2012 Bydfaugust2k (1397.50) dfaugust2k View Channel Send Message
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@knowyourlimit
IT COULD'NT BE THAT LAYOFF'S ARE A RESULT OF CORPORATE GREED THOU COULD IT
SINCE THERE MAKING BILLION'S IN PROFIT'S
NO COULD'NT BE
Posted Aug-5-2012 ByJust Wondering (-0.70) 
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@dfaugust2k FOR SUM ONE WHO SPOUT'S FILTH YOU SHOULD LOOK IN THE MIRROR
Posted Aug-5-2012 ByJust Wondering (-0.70) 
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well no fucking surprise...
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByMatBower (172.70) MatBower View Channel Send Message
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@theLAB IGNORANCE AT IT'S BEST
Posted Aug-5-2012 ByJust Wondering (-0.70) 
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ok, i read like 4 different articles saying the taxes will ONLY impact those making more than 120k individually or 240k joint. they ALL said the same thing and came from different news sources (conservative and liberal).
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byzenshiva (342.38) 
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The 2000 dollars you are calling a tax is that persons cost to be enrolled for care,because he chooses not to buy his own policy.Have you priced health insurance.You aren't getting a policy for 2000 a yr.So this sounds like a bargain.This guy is just another fox hack.They have been crying about this non stop.0 for 2 this week,and don't forget,the individual mandate was the republicans answer to the problem in 1993.The only difference being it was accomplished by a Dem.
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byecho4250 (828.04) echo4250 View Channel Send Message
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@echo4250
It is not your cost to be enrolled in anything. It is punishment for not being enrolled. If you don't have insurance now and you run up medical bills, you have to pay them yourself. There is no gov't medical care right now, only a mandate to get insurance. The penalty is the incentive to get insurance.
Hillary care died because of its compulsion.
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByYukon6400 (1012.12) Yukon6400 View Channel Send Message
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@Yukon6400 But regardless whether that person chooses to buy a policy or instead pay the fine,they will be covered.People are running up bills everyday and not paying them.I'm sure you've heard of charity care.We all get saddled with those costs.This is part of the reason for today's high rates.
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byecho4250 (828.04) echo4250 View Channel Send Message
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@echo4250
Actually the individual mandate was put forward in 1993 as part of the Health Security Act, the national health reform legislation proposed by then-President Bill Clinton(D), as well as, Rep Jim Cooper(D) from Tennessee. So it was first introduced by a Democrat and implemented by a Democrat.
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byseangail (99.34) seangail View Channel Send Message
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@echo4250
You have an understanding of what we currently have, which most here don't. A huge part of all this is just the utter lack of knowledge of the current healthcare system we have and how apalling it is. The new healthcare system eliminates most if not all the issues and saves everyone money as well as potentially cover everyone.
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byseangail (99.34) seangail View Channel Send Message
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@echo4250 "...whether that person chooses to buy a policy or instead pay the fine,they will be covered."
By what? If you mean like they were by municipal and charity hospitals currently? Then the penalty isn't reimbursing those efforts.
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByYukon6400 (1012.12) Yukon6400 View Channel Send Message
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REALLY!
SINCE VIRTUALLY EVERYONE WHO MAKE'S $120,000 OR MORE CAN AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE..............
REALLY YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE WHO MAKE LESS THAN THAT WILL USE OBAMACARE
EVEN THOU EVERYONE BENEFIT'S FROM IT
YOU THINK
LOL
Posted Aug-5-2012 ByJust Wondering (-0.70) 
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Much of the cost burden will be shouldered by the health care industry and employers that provide workers with insurance. The Affordable Care Act requires employers to report the cost of coverage under an employer-sponsored group health plan on an employee’s Form W-2, Wage and Tax Statement, in Box 12, using Code DD. Many employers are eligible for transition relief for tax-year 2012 and beyond, until the IRS issues final guidance for this reporting requirement. The amount reported does not af More..
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byseangail (99.34) seangail View Channel Send Message
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@seangail Uh, no, not really. As a business, what do you do when your costs go up? Raise the price of your products. Your customers get to pay those higher costs when they buy your products. Since this a universal thing for every business in this country, it's not like your customers can go down the street to your competitor to avoid those costs since all businesses, no matter what they're selling or where they are, will raise their prices to cover those costs too.
You don't really think all th More..
Posted Jun-30-2012 Bykajidono (686.56)

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if he's a liberal he does because they have no understanding of how the economy and businesses work!
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByWE ARE POWER (3514.96) 
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@kajidono
Well, let me educate you on how the costs of healthcare will not be passed onto the employee, because that was taken into account when this plan was formed, and now implemented:
The Affordable Care Act requires employers to report the cost of coverage under an employer-sponsored group health plan on an employee’s Form W-2, Wage and Tax Statement, in Box 12, using Code DD. Many employers are eligible for transition relief for tax-year 2012 and beyond, until the IRS issues final guida More..
Posted Jul-1-2012 Byseangail (99.34) seangail View Channel Send Message
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@kajidono
Uh, yes, really.
Posted Jul-1-2012 Byseangail (99.34) seangail View Channel Send Message
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@seangail That says nothing about costs not affecting prices. Did you read it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrHx9b1sMug
When obama was asked about this, he denied it, just like he denied it was a tax (lie). Cat read the bill and figured up their costs. Obama was then asked if he'd read the bill, he said no, but Cat was still wrong. Cat wasn't wrong. They pay accountants a lot of money to not be wrong.
I suppose you think that driving up the price of fuel doesn't affect the prices of product More..
Posted Jul-1-2012 Bykajidono (686.56)

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Palin supports this, so you know there must be some catch. It would have been best to put even more money to build medical buildings free for aspiring MD's but to continue creating more "competition" in the medical industry. Instead THEY allow too much immigration to get YOU to compete for less pay. It will fail just like the AMA is planning and completely overseeing/overpowering reality and in the end, once again, they will be serving less and less people for more and more money. I be More..
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byliveleakfanski (52.48) 
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Your hero Glenn Beck is selling t-shirts for 30 bucks naming CJ Roberts a coward.How utterly pathetic that this fool takes the anger and hatred of you fools and makes a tidy little profit.
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byecho4250 (828.04) echo4250 View Channel Send Message
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@echo4250 Yeah, but it's not a legal requirement that people buy it.
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByChumCannon (1485.72) 
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@ChumCannon They make me buy flood insurance that I'll never use.
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byecho4250 (828.04) echo4250 View Channel Send Message
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@echo4250 Because you own a house. Just know that being alive and owning a house are two separate things.
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByChumCannon (1485.72) 
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@echo4250
only if you built your damn house in a flood zone you idiot!
Posted Jun-30-2012 ByWE ARE POWER (3514.96) 
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@ChumCannon where home of the slave i guess but ur right
Posted Jun-30-2012 Byachiapet (28.20) achiapet View Channel Send Message
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If its FOX, run the f#@k away...
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