Washington is captivated by the Senate melodrama over the so-called public option, salivating at the ring of Harry Reid's political bell (see below). But the most important health-care questions continue to be about the policy substance—particularly those that Democrats don't want asked.
Foremost among them is: How will ObamaCare affect insurance premiums in the private health-care markets? Despite indignant Democratic denials, the near-certainty is that their plan will cause costs to rise across the board. The latest data on this score come from a series of state-level studies from the insurance company WellPoint Inc.
At the request of Congressional delegations worried about their constituents—call it a public service—WellPoint mined its own actuarial data to model ObamaCare in the 14 states where it runs Blue Cross plans. The study therefore takes into account market and demographic differences that other industry studies have not, such as the one from the trade group America's Health Insurance Plans, which looked at aggregate national trends.
In all of the 14 states WellPoint scrutinized, ObamaCare would drive up premiums for the small businesses and individuals who are most of WellPoint's customers. (Other big insurers, like Aetna, focus on the market among large businesses.) Young and healthy consumers will see the largest increases—their premiums would more than triple in some states—though average middle-class buyers will pay more too.
Not even two hours after Wellpoint had presented its materials on the Hill, Democrats were already trashing it—which, considering that it runs to some 238 pages and took weeks to prepare, must have required remarkable powers of digestion and analysis.
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"This is yet another insurance-industry report that twists the facts to produce a skewed result," averred Linda Douglass, the White House communications director on health care. Said a spokesman for the Senate Finance Committee, "This is akin to the tobacco companies commissioning another study claiming nicotine isn't addictive and cigarettes don't cause cancer." So in its Saul Alinsky fashion, the White House again attacks the messenger so it can avoid rebutting the message.
In fact, what distinguishes the Wellpoint study is its detailed rigor. Take Ohio, where a young, healthy 25-year-old living in Columbus can purchase insurance from WellPoint today for about $52 per month in the individual market. WellPoint's actuaries calculate the bill will rise to $79 because Democrats are going to require it to issue policies to anyone who applies, even if they've waited until they're sick to buy insurance. Then they'll also require the company to charge everyone nearly the same rate, bringing the premium to $134. Add in an extra $17, since Democrats will require higher benefit levels, and a share of the new health industry taxes ($6), and monthly premiums have risen to $157, a 199% boost.
Meanwhile, a 40-year-old husband and wife with two kids would see their premiums jump by 122%—to $737 from $332—while a small business with eight employees in Franklin County would see premiums climb by 86%. It's true that the family or the individual might qualify for subsidies if their incomes are low enough, but the business wouldn't qualify under the Senate Finance bill WellPoint examined. And even if there are subsidies, the new costs the bill creates don't vaporize. They're merely transferred to taxpayers nationwide—or financed with deficits, which will be financed eventually with higher taxes.
The story is largely the same from state to state, though the increases are smaller in the few states that have already adopted the same mandates and regulations that Democrats want to impose on all states. For the average small employer in high-cost New York, for instance, premiums would only rise by 6%. But they'd shoot up by 94% for the same employer in Indianapolis, 91% in St. Louis and 53% in Milwaukee.
A family of four with average health in those same cities would all face cost increases of 122% buying insurance on the individual market. And it's important to understand that these are merely the new costs created by ObamaCare—not including the natural increases in medical costs over time from new therapies and the like.
Democrats have been selling health care as one huge free lunch in which everyone gets better insurance while paying less. But the policy facts simply don't add up, and Democrats are attacking WellPoint because they don't want anyone to understand what their health-care schemes will mean in practice. Democrats know that if the public is given the facts and the time to consider them, Americans might demand that Democrats stop pushing the country off this cliff and start all over.
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Prove it. You can't because this is true. Freeloaders like you dislike it when your handouts get taken from you. Go run along and troll another leak.
Posted Oct-29-2009 ByMarkusMarone (794.44) 
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You have to admit it WOULD have been better if the stats didn't come from an organization that didn't have a vested interest in the status quo...
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Don't know about "tripling", but there's no doubt that private premiums will rise...the feds want to increase their regulation, they will constrain the insurance companies, telling them what they have to cover, expanding coverage, etc. Such regulation will necessarily increase the costs of private insurers, and that will cause premiums to rise.
Instead of enabling more variety in policies offered, instead of us shifting to a model where we pay out of pocket for regular health maintena More..
Posted Oct-29-2009 Byvicsemprini (1253.08) vicsemprini View Channel Send Message
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If you actually pay for insurance, you shouldn't have any problem with the status quo. If you want to insurance a bunch of freeloaders, go ahead and pay for it yourself. I have more important places to send my money.
Posted Oct-29-2009 ByMarkusMarone (794.44) 
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Here lies the problem with this post. From state to state your premiums will go up because now there will be a public option for people to pay their premiums to. So for these insurance companies to make their same profits they will raise premium rates for good hard working Americans. Depending on where you live you might pay more or less of an increase. So MarkusMarone you would rather have insurance companies make obscene profits in the hundreds of millions of dollars, not require them to honor More..
Posted Oct-29-2009 ByTOPWATER187 (681.78) 
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A few points...
1) For 99% of Americans, poverty is a choice. Those that choose to be poor don't deserve charity.
2) Obamacare isn't about saving money. Its about more handouts to the lower classes.
3) Wealth distribution, the primary goal behind most liberal strategies, creates a moral hazard. Those that work hard and contribute to society see less of a reason to contribute. Those that are receiving handouts have no reason to contribute to society.
4) Insurance companies operate with very lo More..
Posted Oct-29-2009 ByMarkusMarone (794.44) 
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Just a follow up and some questions
1 I agree
2 If you have to pay for obamacare then it is not charity or a handout. And tax payers wont be taxed it will be paid for through premiums.
3 Agreed
4 The margins for profit of health insurance companies are huge and you are only speculating that the government couldn't work within health insurance parameters.
5 Agreed
6 Again obamacare does not take anything away from the rich. The only rich people who will suffer are the insurance companies. so thei More..
Posted Oct-29-2009 ByTOPWATER187 (681.78) 
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The profit margins for health care insurance companies is 2 to 3 percent.
Posted Oct-29-2009 Byvicsemprini (1253.08) vicsemprini View Channel Send Message
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What's your source for your comment on profit margins?
I think it's only 2 or 3%...which is very low.
Posted Oct-29-2009 Byvicsemprini (1253.08) vicsemprini View Channel Send Message
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You're right. Some of the bigger carriers have margins of 5% - 6% but that's about right. Insurers typically pay out 100% of their premiums in claims and overhead. They make their profits by investing premium cash flow. Try explaining that to a lib though. They'll just call you a mean insensitive rich asshole or an insurance company plant.
Posted Oct-29-2009 ByMarkusMarone (794.44) 
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I think Obama's plan will be scratched soon,..and swept under the rug,..
and the Whole of Congress will have to go back to the drawing board and actually come up with a Bi partisan non Governmental solution,
the biggest reason is they don't know how they are going to fund a Public option when so many Americans are out of work,.
I was saying that the first time I heard of this stupid plan,.
they are realizing the whole plan is not even fisable for America,..
that's why the DEm's cannot give Oba More..
Posted Oct-29-2009 BySharkGuy (1509.90) SharkGuy View Channel Send Message
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If you're going to lie and make shit up, go big.
"Premiums will rise to $10k per month and if you can't pay, the government will take your children and sell them to the Taliban for suicide missions..."
Posted Oct-29-2009 ByPH-DEE (388.74) 
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Freeloaders will always go on the defensive when you criticize their handouts. Get used to it. People who actually work hard and contribute to society are tired of supporting the uneducated lazy peasants of America.
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You are either confused or delusional.... THIS IS NOT A HANDOUT!!!!!!!! the public option will require people TO PAY INTO IT.... just like you and I do now with Private Health Insurance Companies!!!!!!!
Jesus your disdain for those people you so quickly lable as "freeloaders" is getting a bit ridiculous and its affecting your judgement!
Posted Oct-29-2009 ByRicoShay (570.46) RicoShay View Channel Send Message
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It is a handout. You can deny it all you want, but this is just a creative way to redistribute wealth. That's why it will be subsidized by people like me. If you paid 50% - 60% of your earnings in taxes and actually understood how insurance companies work (instead of the peasant definition of an insurance company), you'd be singing the same tune.
How is Obamacare going to pay for all of these uninsured people (who don't feel like paying their bills - that's the real reason why they don't have i More..
Posted Oct-29-2009 ByMarkusMarone (794.44) 
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I'd have more success debating this issue with my dog than with you Marcus.... you are SO convinced that this President is out to do whatever he can to take care of the "freeloaders" that you refuse to believe anything different from that.
So I'm going to let you wallow in your hatred filled and uninformed environment because it seems you thrive off of it.
Good luck to ya.... the next 7 years are going to really suck for you!
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If unemployment remains near 10%, then Obama doesn't get a second term.
Posted Oct-29-2009 Byvicsemprini (1253.08) vicsemprini View Channel Send Message
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Try getting this type of data from a source that ISNT a large health insurance company and then maybe people might take it more seriously.
These people arent out to inform the citizens of this country for the citizens own good... they are doing it because they stand to lose billions of dollars. If the premiums go up I expect Marcus and his kind will blame Obama when you should be blaming the insurance companies!
If the part in the bill sticks where they say the public option will only be for More..
Posted Oct-29-2009 ByRicoShay (570.46) RicoShay View Channel Send Message
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You don't need Wellpoint to tell you what's going to happen. A basic understanding of supply and demand is enough to tell you what's going to happen to private insurance premiums under "reform".
Posted Oct-29-2009 Byvicsemprini (1253.08) vicsemprini View Channel Send Message
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Are you saying the insurances companies don't need reform? Are you saying that 505 million a year being wasted in healthcare doesnt need reform?
What do you propose should be done about it?
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--Are you saying the insurances companies don't need reform?
Um...no...I don't think I said that at all.
I said what they don't need is any variation of the Senate or House plans, which will destroy the private insurance industry.
--Are you saying that 505 million a year being wasted in healthcare doesnt need reform?
Nice straw man. Let's start with the BILLIONS being wasted in Medicare and Medicaid systems, via waste and fraud...two systems that DEMONSTRATE that ANY government run program More..
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LOL at the picture!!!
Posted Oct-29-2009 ByHawk_Eye (123.72) Hawk_Eye Send Message
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Triple? LOL...the fear-mongering is strong today.
If it tripled that would mean I would pay $18,000/year...that's not likely at all.
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