Joran van der Sloot Fox Interview Part 3; Police Payoffs

VAN SUSTEREN: You just saw Joran van der Sloot take his microphone off and threaten to end our interview with him. Joran eventually did put his microphone back on and continued telling his story.

Now, Joran told us that he sold Natalee Holloway the night that she vanished in Aruba. But how deep does this alleged plot go?

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VAN SUSTEREN: All right, Joran, we've taken a bit More.. More.. of a break, and now we're back.

So let me pick up - let me hit some blunt topics. You told me in conversations that (NAME DELETED) was paid some money.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: There was another police officer with him who was also paid? Who was that?

VAN DER SLOOT: Two police officers. There was (NAME DELETED) and--I can't think of him right now.

VAN SUSTEREN: When were they paid off, and for what?

VAN DER SLOOT: They were paid off in the summer for not saying anything, because they found out - yes, they found out the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: When you say, "the story," what was the story they found out?

VAN DER SLOOT: They -- I think they got onto - they found out that she was taken to Venezuela.

VAN SUSTEREN: Who paid them?

VAN DER SLOOT: My father.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know how much he paid them?

VAN DER SLOOT: Not exactly, no.

VAN SUSTEREN: What do you understand was the range that he paid them?

VAN DER SLOOT: $50,000.

VAN SUSTEREN: Each, or to split?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know how the money was transferred? Was it done through the banking system, was it done through cash?

VAN DER SLOOT: I just heard that it happened, that's all. I think it was done through banking.

VAN SUSTEREN: How did you hear about this?

VAN DER SLOOT: From my dad.

VAN SUSTEREN: When did he tell you?

VAN DER SLOOT: In one of the conversations I had with him.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did (NAME DELETED) shake him down? How did this happen?

VAN DER SLOOT: I think they tried to shake him down a little.

VAN SUSTEREN: Tell me what you know about it.

VAN DER SLOOT: I never spoke to -- this was not a topic that was spoken about. So I don't know the details on it. I just know that that happened.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why did your father tell you, do you think? How was the setting when he told you?

VAN DER SLOOT: More like, you know, that that's serious, and for me to shut up and keep my mouth closed.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was this an argument or discussion with your father?

VAN DER SLOOT: No. It was more I think just to emphasize, giving me reason not to talk to the police.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you learn this from your father when you were still in jail, or is this after you got out?

VAN DER SLOOT: I learned this while I was still in jail.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you had private conversations with your father?

VAN DER SLOOT: Way later, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was anyone else paid off?

VAN DER SLOOT: Not that I know of, no.

VAN SUSTEREN: You hesitated a little. Were you thinking, or was there somebody else?

VAN DER SLOOT: I was thinking. I don't think so. I can't say, I don' want to say anything without me being sure about it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think there was another police officer?

VAN DER SLOOT: There could have been someone else that was paid off as well, but what I say now is what I know about it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did (NAME DELETED) say to your father what they had learned? Were they specific at all?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. I think so. I don't know. The conversation I had was not that long, but I think they knew exactly what was going on, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: How did they learn that, though?

VAN DER SLOOT: I didn't speak to them about it, so I don't know.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did they know the guy who you worked this deal with to sell Natalee? Did they know him?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't think so. I don't know.

VAN SUSTEREN: And they never said anything to you about it?

VAN DER SLOOT: No. I never spoke to (NAME DELETED) or this other guy.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ever? They never interrogated you in jail?

VAN DER SLOOT: Never. I spoke to one of them once.

VAN SUSTEREN: Who was the first person you told about selling Natalee?

VAN DER SLOOT: The first person I told? The first person I told was my lawyer, I think.

VAN SUSTEREN: That was before --

VAN DER SLOOT: No, the first person I told was a teacher of mine, and then the lawyer.

VAN SUSTEREN: The teacher is?

VAN DER SLOOT: The teacher -- it was a teacher from school.

VAN SUSTEREN: What's his name?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. It was a teacher from school, that I had as a teacher.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he tell you to do?

VAN DER SLOOT: To tell the truth.

VAN SUSTEREN: And what was his name?

VAN DER SLOOT: I can't think of it right now.

VAN SUSTEREN: You know what, you do know it.

VAN DER SLOOT: I can't think of it right now.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is it the teacher who was there when you and I did the interview back in March of `06?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: When did you tell him in relation to Natalee's disappearance?

VAN DER SLOOT: I told him a couple of days after, at school, I think.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you have a special relationship with this teacher?

VAN DER SLOOT: I had a very good relationship with him, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And so he was the first person. The second person you told was who?

VAN DER SLOOT: My lawyer.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was your father present?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, not when I told him the first time.

VAN SUSTEREN: And this was in the lawyer's office?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, this was at an interrogation.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK, so this was after you were arrested?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And where was this conversation with your lawyer, which facility?

VAN DER SLOOT: It was at a police station.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, you were not allowed to go home after that one, were you? You went right off to..

VAN DER SLOOT: After that they took me to jail, yes, to Kiya (ph). So this was still in my pre-arrest.

VAN SUSTEREN: One of the things that is important to us is that we corroborate every bit of the story. Do you give your lawyer permission to verify that fact?

VAN DER SLOOT: How do you mean?

VAN SUSTEREN: You have an attorney-client privilege. He can't tell me anything about you unless you let give him the green light. Will you give him the green light to verify that you told him within days of Natalee's disappearance that you'd sold her?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I give him the green light to do that.

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VAN SUSTEREN: After this interview we went to Aruba. We confronted Joran's father and Joran's lawyer for their side of the story. So far, they have refused to go "On the Record." We will tell you more about that tomorrow night. They are all welcome here anytime.

You also just heard Joran van der Sloot claim that he confided to a teacher that he had sold Natalee Holloway. We did our own investigation and spoke to that teacher. More on that is coming up also tomorrow night.

Coming up, Joran says he sold Natalee Holloway to a mysterious stranger. But where is this man now, when was the last time Joran spoke to him, and is the man still paying Joran money for his alleged deed?

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VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot just described how he allegedly sold Natalee Holloway the night that she disappeared. Joran says a man gave him a bag full of cash on a beach and then pulled Natalee onto a boat.

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VAN SUSTEREN: After -- the guy that you sold her to, you don't know any more information about it than you have told us so far on camera, right?

VAN DER SLOOT: I know everything that I told you guys before. I don't know if that's - I don't think we have to discuss it all now.

VAN SUSTEREN: According to what you told is, is that when you turned Natalee over to the guy in the boat, it's not this guy, you got a bag of cash, which you later split up. But you were cheated--it was not $10,000, it wasn't a full $10,000. How much was missing?

VAN DER SLOOT: $400.

VAN SUSTEREN: And your assumption is that the boat driver took it?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know.

VAN SUSTEREN: You don't know? But anyway. Now, have you ever gotten any more money from that guy?

VAN DER SLOOT: All the time.

VAN SUSTEREN: When?

VAN DER SLOOT: After the second time I got arrested.

VAN SUSTEREN: Which was when?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know anymore. Not that the best of days (ph), now I don't know.

VAN SUSTEREN: How was the money transferred?

VAN DER SLOOT: He sent it through - by Western Union.

VAN SUSTEREN: To where?

VAN DER SLOOT: To me.

VAN SUSTEREN: Were you in Holland or Aruba?

VAN DER SLOOT: At that time I was in Holland. I wasn't anywhere there.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why did he send you more money if he'd already paid you?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't think he - I think he didn't want me to talk.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you think it was to have you shut up.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, or to keep me happy. I don't know.

VAN SUSTEREN: How did he even think that you wouldn't be happy? Had you had any communication with him at all?

VAN DER SLOOT: None at all, none whatsoever.

VAN SUSTEREN: It was just out of the blue?

VAN DER SLOOT: Out of the blue completely.

VAN SUSTEREN: How did he know where to send it?

VAN DER SLOOT: That's when -- I gave him that. I gave him everything at that moment. Like he was telling me, where are you, what are you doing, all that stuff. Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: I don't understand. You get the $9,600 when Natalee disappears, and then we fast forward a couple of years, and then out of the blue when you get arrested the second time -- which was what, about six months ago.?

VAN DER SLOOT: Something like that.

VAN SUSTEREN: About six months ago. Is suddenly he gives you how much more?

VAN DER SLOOT: He gave me the same amount again.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ten grand or $9,600?

VAN DER SLOOT: Ten grand.

VAN DER SLOOT: OK, 10 grand. And he wires it to you in Holland. And you've actually given us the wire number.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: You've given it to us. But there must have been some contact before, like by e-mail or conversation for you to give him the number...

VAN DER SLOOT: I had e-mail contact with him.

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you had email contact with him for the last couple of years?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, but I have it to him one time on a piece of paper. And I don't know if he was using a real e-mail address.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you just out of the blue e-mailed him first or he e-mailed you first?

VAN DER SLOOT: He e-mailed me. I do not have his email.

VAN SUSTEREN: He e-mailed you and said what?

VAN DER SLOOT: He said, like, how am I doing, and for me to shut up, and if I needed any money.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you then replied what?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And then what happened?

VAN DER SLOOT: Then he said, OK. And then at first I didn't hear anything for like a couple of weeks. So that's why I don't think it's his real email address. And then, he said, OK, well, here's a number. You can go pick it up at a Western Union.

VAN SUSTEREN: And you did?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And that's the last contact you've had with him?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: You're haven't tried to get more money out of him?

VAN DER SLOOT: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why not?

VAN DER SLOOT: I do not know how to find him, where he is. I've emailed him another time, but he didn't respond.

VAN SUSTEREN: Does your father know about the second money?

VAN DER SLOOT: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Who knows about that?

VAN DER SLOOT: No one.

VAN SUSTEREN: Does Joe Tacopina know about the slave?

VAN DER SLOOT: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Doesn't know a thing about it. You never told him?

VAN DER SLOOT: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: So the only lawyer who knows is Antonio Carlo, no other lawyer. And your father and the teacher. Does your mother know?

VAN DER SLOOT: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Does your mother know about the payoff to (NAME DELETED)?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, I don't think so. I don't speak to them anymore at all.

VAN SUSTEREN: Your parents. Why not?

VAN DER SLOOT: We don't have the best relations anymore.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why?

VAN DER SLOOT: I guess it was all a little bit too much, I guess.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was that your decision or their decision to cut contact?

VAN DER SLOOT: I guess mine.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any contact with Deepak and Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What kind of contact?

VAN DER SLOOT: I have e-mailed back and forth with them a couple of times, called once.

VAN SUSTEREN: When did you call?

VAN DER SLOOT: Something -- three months ago.

VAN SUSTEREN: What was the conversation?

VAN DER SLOOT: It was about they had a lawsuit going, and that's really the only thing we talk about.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is there -- why is the lawsuit of interest to you?

VAN DER SLOOT: They said that if they won the lawsuit, that they'd give me a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: And is that Deepak saying that, or Satish?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's Deepak. I have it on paper too.

VAN SUSTEREN: Deepak wrote it, or in an e-mail?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, I got it - just my computer. Like it's typed up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if his lawyer knows?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does it say on the paper? What's the deal?

VAN DER SLOOT: It's that if as long as I don't share anything that I know about the both of them with any money, and if they win the lawsuit, I will get a million dollars.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did that come from the lawyer or from Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Both of them.

VAN SUSTEREN: Both the lawyer and Deepak?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. It's an official paper.

VAN SUSTEREN: Will you show us a copy of it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. Anything else? I know this isn't easy for you.

VAN DER SLOOT: No. Just that I hope you guys go in and really look at it, find out everything, find out what happened. And hopefully then I can go on and everyone can go on.

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VAN SUSTEREN: Up next, you just heard Joran's unbelievable story in his own words, but it is not over yet. We have information next that will completely change the way you look at this interview. Joran contacted us again and gave a final surprising twist to the story. You need to hear it.

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VAN SUSTEREN: As we all know by now, Joran has changed his story a number of times, and now he has changed it again. Any good investigator is going to chase down every lead. Some leads are successful. Some go nowhere. We had spent so much time on this story that we wanted to go that extra mile and get whatever information we could. We also set out to attempt to prove or disprove what information we collected.

After we conducted this interview in Asia, Joran contacted us again. He told us he had been lying during that interview and that he had not sold Natalee Holloway to a stranger. Joran says he made the story up.

You can decide for yourself what to believe and what not to believe. We know for certain that Joran Van Der Sloot has lied about the night Natalee Holloway disappeared. The question now is whether he has ever told the truth. That is why our investigation continues.

After this interview with Joran, we contacted many of the people involved in the alleged plot as we could. We also went online to look at the State Department's Web site, which provides shocking information about worldwide human trafficking. Tomorrow night, you hear what we uncovered in an investigation spreading from the island of Aruba to Asia, and even to the city of Seattle.