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Why Sharia law is impossible in the UK.

So, given the apparent threat Sharia law poses to every man, woman and child in our country– not to mention the danger it poses to our democracy – could Sharia law ever become UK law?


The answer is: NO. This would require a series of events so improbable they are impossible; they would effectively have zero probability. People who propound this myth have a limited (at best) understanding of how British laws are produced and ratified. To understand why Sharia law could never be replace UK law requires looking at the legislative process.


The legislative process: how laws are made

A law starts its life as a Bill, either introduced by the government (a government sponsored Bill) or introduced by an MP in the House of Commons or a Peer in the House of Lords (a private member’s Bill.) All Bills have to pass through both the House of Commons and the House of Lords. It’s finally made an Act of Parliament by the Queen giving it her Royal Assent.

A) A Bill that starts in the House of Commons

A1) First Reading: this is a formal introduction of the Bill into the House of Commons. No debate takes place at this stage.


A2) Second Reading: this is where the Bill is debated for the first time. The general principles of the Bill are examined here. The MPs decide by vote whether the Bill can go on to the next stage.


A3) Committee Stage: a detailed examination of the Bill is carried out at this stage. All the clauses attached to the Bill are scrutinised.


A4) Report Stage: the Bill is passed back to the House of Commons. Further amendments and/or clauses can be added at this point.


A5) Third Reading: this stage provides the final chance for debate on the Bill. The House decides on whether to pass the Bill, again by vote, at this point.


If the Bill started in the House of Commons it is sent to the House of Lords; if it started in the House of Lords it is sent to the House of Commons for the next series of readings in the legislative process.


B) The Bill is then sent to The House of Lords


The Bill, at this point goes through the same stages as happened in the House of Commons: First Reading; Second Reading; Committee Stage; Report Stage and Third Reading:


C) The Bill is finally returned to the House of Commons


C1) the House of Commons considers the amendments suggested by the Lords. Once the exact wording is agreed upon the Bill is ready for its final stage.


D) Royal Assent


The Bill, which by now has passed through both Houses, must be made into an Act of Parliament by being given the Monarch’s Royal Assent.


Given the steps in the legislative process the introduction of Sharia law faces a number of problems:


1) The MP problem:


A Bill would have to be drafted by an MP who supported the introduction of Sharia law. This MP’s election to the House of Commons is itself predicated on being elected by voters who themselves wanted Sharia law. Obviously, this would mean a constituency with a large number of Muslim voters who supported stoning, amputation or beheading for certain crimes.


As of 2010 there are 8 Muslim MPs out of a total of 650 MPs in the House of Commons. This means that 1.23% of the total number of MPs in the House of Commons is a Muslim. However, Muslims make up approximately 3% of the UK population. Muslims are therefore underrepresented in the House of Commons by roughly 1.77% To accurately reflect the number of Muslims in the UK the amount of Muslims in the House of Commons would need to increase by a factor of roughly 1½. This would mean an increase of approximately 14 MPs to bring the total to 20. This is just to be fairly represented in the House of Commons.


To introduce Sharia law– or an aspect of it – and have that law passed during the votes that take place at stages A2 and A5 (see above) the number of MPs in the Commons would need to be a majority. In real terms this would mean having 326 Islamic extremist MPs, voted in by an electorate who believed in Sharia law. This would require a 4000% increase in the number of Muslim MPs, all of whom wanted Sharia Law in the UK. As of 2010, there are 0 MPs, Muslim or otherwise, who want Sharia law.


2) The Drafting Problem:


Before a Bill is introduced in the First Reading it is drafted. This enables departmental select committees, or joint committees of Lords and MPs, to have an early influence on the Bill. A Bill which called for, for instance, the introduction of stoning as a punishment for adultery could not make it past this pre-legislative scrutiny. As of 2010, there are 0 MPs, Muslim or otherwise, who would be willing to draft a Bill supporting Sharia law.


3) The Votes Problem:


If, hypothetically, the Bill got past the drafting and First Reading stages it would still need to be debated and pass the vote at the Second Reading. The same is true for the Third Reading. This would require the Bill to be assented to by half the House. Currently that would need 326 MPs who supported, for instance, beheading for apostasy or amputation for stealing. Without this majority these punishments will never come into force. As already mentioned above, this would require a 4000% increase in the number of Muslim MPs, all of whom wanted Sharia Law in the UK. As of 2010, there are 0 MPs, Muslim or otherwise, who want Sharia law.


4) The Royal Assent problem:


To become an Act of Parliament the Bill must be given Royal Assent. To introduce Sharia law would require the reigning monarch to be an Islamic extremist. But the Queen is an enemy of Islamaccording to one group of extremists, while her future heir is a Colonel in a regiment that’s fighting another group of extremists. Neither are likely to become Islamic extremists, and neither are likely to give their Royal Assent to Sharia law.


Conclusion


Sharia law will never supplant the law of the land. Our whole legal system, from the introduction of the Bill to the ratification by the Queen, prevents it. It is a logical and practical impossibility. The only people who believe that Sharia law could become UK law are extremists: Islamist extremists such as Anjem Choudhary and Muslims Against the Crusades; right-wing extremists like ‘Tommy Robinson’ and the English Defence League. One is protesting for, and the other against, an impossibility. Both groups are delusional.


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  • load them ALL up every where their not wanted and ship them all somewhere their wanted !! fuck them and have a nice day !!:)I have no use for someone who will shake your hand one day then park a car full of explosives in front of your house the next ,not caring who they kill muzzi or not !!!

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  • There should be a law stating that sharia is against the law in the UK. That that should fix it straight.

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    • @freedomcalls They have little power. Your idea would prevent battered muslim women from gaining a divorce. Are you sure you think that's a good idea?

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  • The way I see it though it wont happen for maybe 20 yrs..their politics are corrupt and already those in office are caught out every election fiddling ballots/expenses etc. They instruct mosque members who to vote for as they do their wives and adult children they even vote for the dead and or people living in Pakistan. They are gaining in numbers and in 20 yrs or so with proliferation and open borders and insane human rights and illegals acquiring indefinite leave to remain = guaranteed citizen More..

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  • Too late, the left wing elite masters have already approved it, bent over and spreading their ass cheeks.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1687576.ece

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  • It wouldn't be the law of the land (nation) right away. First a neighborhood, then several, then a city, then several cities, and so on.

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  • Why the fuck is there Muslims in the government in the first place?

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  • "The only people who believe that Sharia law could become UK law are extremists: Islamist extremists such as Anjem Choudhary and Muslims Against the Crusades; right-wing extremists like ‘Tommy Robinson’ and the English Defence League. One is protesting for, and the other against, an impossibility. Both groups are delusional."

    Very well said.

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  • note: the arduous process described in the article above is also a reason why our politicians cannot get anything done in this country.

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  • But muslims keep saying they are the fastest growing religion? ohhh i forgot they make up less than 6 percent of europe..

    too bad mussies

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  • Agreed, but that did stop Mr sheeple, apologist, goat face, religious nut, self-defeatist, idiot the archbishop of Canterbury

    pictured here
    http://news.pinkpaper.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=93

    Saying "Let the muslims have sharia law, just to stop them terrorizing others"

    This is the sort of self-inflicting backlash you get with religious people, they love being stomped on, they love feeling belittled.

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    • @Goldfingers If they have their law it wil only be as long as it doesnt conflict with our law and our law will override it every time so if they want to play Muslims in our country then let them if it means they behave.

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    • @Freakster fucking idiot!! If a Muslim rapes your English Christian heritage mother he will not face the Shari'a law cause in the readings your mother is an infidel!! They will not turn up to the Commonwealth courts because he is a Muslim!!!

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    • @Ofaqet What are you on about?there will be no turning up.If i cant get to him first he'll be arrested and remanded.If you are saying he's fled then it makes no difference what law there is.

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  • Great post, finally!
    The only people who believe that Sharia could become UK law are Islamist and right-wing extremists.
    Both groups not only believe it, but they would also love that.
    And both are indeed completely delusional.

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  • It must be said a learned view point at last ....... something you don't get to see too often on LL.

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  • Too late, the left wing elite masters have already approved it, bent over and spreading their ass cheeks.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1687576.ece

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  • Sharia Law is practiced in the UK now. See

    http://www.islamic-sharia.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=27

    Also see The Telegraph for today's date here....

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8686504/Sharia-a-law-unto-itself.html

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    • @LickyLicky They have zero legal power in the UK.

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    • @LickyLicky I who live in Australia have heard of a few(10) Sharia Courts have been fully functional in the UK..

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    • @Ofaqet Yeah, they enable females to divorce and sort out inheritance disputes. They can issue no legal punishments such as fines or imprisonment. Good thing too.

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    • @shashi2005 I think they see it like this:- Sharia Law is superior to all civil law according to their beliefs. All Muslims want Sharia and how they get the thing moving along is setting up these tribunals in the local Mosque. They don't care if it is legally binding in the civil courts because they see that issue as being secondary or irrelevant. This is the start of the rot. Liberal politicians are slowly giving in bit by bit. I'll bet there is a lot more going on behind closed doors as the ci More..

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    • @LickyLicky Oops your wrong again...
      They're not all in favour of sharia
      http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/
      And there are moves afoot to limit the power of sharia courts:
      http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/50337/sharia-bill-may-pose-a-threat-jewish-courts
      I guess that doesn't fit in with your narrative though.

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  • Im glad you've posted this maybe it will stop the stupid comeback lame arguments that I hear so frequently on here.

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  • ummmm! Right - wing nationalist is very important as when all the jibberish quote above said can always be overturned with the race card and the following support from facsist liberals, lawyers and policy makers... It takes time when we open our borders to all muslim nationals! The ban on all muslims is the way to save the country!

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    • @Ofaqet This makes no sense.

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    • @shashi2005 just to you... it clearly meant that the more and more you let in muslims, they will out breed the British nationals and will out vote the nationals then they will easily change the law to their preaching which is the Shari'a law.. So all in all it will take time(10years) and it is very important to support the right-wing nationals. I gather you are a liberal fascist and ignorant in understanding my statement!

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    • @Ofaqet "Easily change the law" ?
      Not only would your fantasy require a change in the law, it would also require reform of the entire judiciary.
      How are they going to accomplish that?
      Got an objective source for your demographic hypothesis?
      Mmm Liberal fascist? I'm a home owner, small business owner and an enthusiastic hunter. (Not the red jacket stuff) I claim zero state benefits & wear my poppy with pride, fly a union flag at every opportunity.
      So many of your arguments seem to More..

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    • @shashi2005 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU check this video out and maybe you can stop being ignorant..I was born in Australia but raised up in the Solomon Islands till I was 16, I have been to school in Australia, NZ, Us, Japan,HK and England as my father was a Business manager for an International airline and a foriegn tourist minister for S.I. I have a British, Australian and NZ. Passport. I'm a home owner with two investment properties and I work in a highly paid business sector More..

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  • Yes I agree that for now imposing Sharia is very unlikely. But remember this. The empowering of the Nazis was also considered very unlikley. And since the radical muslims are literly multiplying themself here thanks of the rediculus welfare laws it might be a quite a realistic option for them in say 30 or 40 years to overthrow our democraty in at least parts of the country simply by the fact that they are the majority.
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  • Britain already has islamic 'courts' which deal with financial situations, marriages and divorces and family issues from a religious perspective. If you are trying to say that sharia will never happen in the uk, then you are wrong because it has existed in a limited form since the act of arbitration of 1996. Just the same as jewish courts exist under the same framework. The question is really how much religious law you're willing to allow and how much power you're willing to give religious court More..

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  • Theres no way Sharia law would happen in UK and whoever told you it could is just winding you up, and you fell for it.

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    • @pxr5 ummmmmm! Do you ever get out? It's a shame you don't know shit about your ccountry!! I think you should ask your mum for a increase in pocket money and ask your dad for his car then leave the family home basement and go on a tour on some Shari'a courts in England!!

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    • @pxr5 ummmmmm! Do you ever get out? It's a shame you don't know shit about your ccountry!! I think you should ask your mum for a increase in pocket money and ask your dad for his car then leave the family home basement and go on a tour on some Shari'a courts in England!!

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    • @Ofaqet So I could get beheaded now if I break certain laws in the UK? You're an idiot.

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    • @Ofaqet I can teach you how to click a mouse to post a comment if you want, my rates are very competitive.

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    • @pxr5 you're an idiot to think one Shari'a law/court doesn't exist!! Beheading? That soon will becoming one added effect to the already existing court. Yet again you are ignorant of what soon will become of your country's future or you are just another Muslim sympather.. 10 years ago you didn't have a basic Shari'a court in another 10 you'll get the hardcore version...

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