You just cannot make this stuff up... Anybody see this in the MSM? --cd3

By Sam Fellman - Staff writer
Posted: Tuesday Sep 11, 2012 17:16:10 EDT
Source:
http://www.navytimes.com/mobile/news/2012/09/navy-russian-warships-displayed-dnc-veterans-tribute-091112
On the last night of the Democratic National Convention, a retired Navy four-star took the stage to pay tribute to veterans. Behind him, on a giant screen, the image of four hulking warships reinforced his patriotic message.
But there was a big mistake in the stirring backdrop: those are Russian warships.
While retired Adm. John Nathman, a former commander of Fleet Forces Command, honored vets as America’s best, the ships from the Russian Federation Navy were arrayed like sentinels on the big screen above.
These were the very Soviet-era combatants that Nathman and Cold Warriors like him had once squared off against.
“The ships are definitely Russian,” said noted naval author Norman Polmar after reviewing hi-resolution photos from the event. “There’s no question of that in my mind.”
Naval experts concluded the background was a photo composite of Russian ships that were overflown by what appear to be U.S. trainer jets. It remains unclear how or why the Democratic Party used what’s believed to be images of the Russian Black Sea Fleet at their convention.
A spokesman for the Democratic National Convention Committee was not able to immediately comment Tuesday, saying he had to track down personnel to find out what had happened.
The veteran who spotted the error and notified Navy Times said he was immediately taken aback.
“I was kind of in shock,” said Rob Barker, 38, a former electronics warfare technician who left the Navy in 2006. Having learned to visually identify foreign ships by their radars, Barker recognized the closest ship as the Kara-class cruiser Kerch.
“An immediate apology [from the committee] would be very nice,” Barker said. “Maybe acknowledge the fact that yes, they screwed up.”
The background — featured in the carefully choreographed hour leading up to the president’s Sept. 6 speech accepting the Democratic Party’s nomination — showed four ships with radar designs not used in the U.S. fleet.
For example, the ship in the foreground, on the far right, has a square radar antenna at the top of its masthead. That is the MR-700 Podberezovik 3-D early warning radar, commonly identified as “Flat Screen” for its appearance, a three-dimensional early warning radar mounted on the Kerch, said Eric Wertheim, editor of “Combat Fleets of the World.”
Similarly, the third ship has a MR-310 “Head Net” air search radar, shaped like two off-set bananas, at its masthead and is mostly likely the guided missile destroyer Smetlivyy. The first two ships seem to be Krivak-class frigates, but it’s hard to discern from the silhouette, experts said.
But the fact they are Russian ships is not in doubt. In addition to the ship’s radar arrays and hulls, which are dissimilar from U.S. warships, the photo features one more give-away: a large white flag with a blue ‘X’ at the ships’ sterns.
Polmar, who authored “The Naval Institute Guide to the Soviet Navy,” recognized the blue ‘X’-mark: “The X is the Cross of St. Andrew’s, which is a Russian Navy symbol,” Polmar said. (An anchored U.S. warship, by contrast, flies the American flag on its stern.)
Based on this specific group of these ship types, one naval expert concluded that this was most likely a photo of the Black Sea Fleet.
“Ships are all Black Sea Fleet,” A. D. Baker III, a retired Office of Naval Intelligence analyst, told Navy Times after looking at the image. “These four ships, at the time the photo was taken, constituted the entire major surface combatant component of the Black Sea Fleet,” Baker said, noting the photo was likely to be six years old or older. (The Kerch is now on the list to be scrapped, Baker said.)
Barker, the former sailor who first spotted the errors, believes the seven aircraft streaking by are F-5 jets, a trainer used by the U.S. Navy. Asked to explain how he reached that conclusion, the former airplane spotter ticked off a list: “Twin engine, single rudder, with hard points on the wingtips, with that silhouette is going to make them F-5s.”
By: copperdog3
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This was the Democrats big we're pro military push. They really know how the honor the corpse men.
Posted Sep-12-2012 Bytruespeak (624.42) 
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doesn't surprise me one bit. what elso would the communist left to do besides show pride for their homeland? voted
Posted Sep-12-2012 Bystar53 (32499.80) 
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Hahahahahaha, and they're all chanting "USA, USA, USA". Stupid people.
Posted Sep-12-2012 ByMrRolLexus (258.50) 
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Americans are something else haha.
Posted Sep-12-2012 ByOrwellian_Society (464.90) Orwellian_Society View Channel Send Message
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Patriotism does not come naturally to the dems... all they can do is try (and fail) to mimic real American values sometimes.
Posted Sep-12-2012 Bysprodge (1343.86) 
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@Orwellian_Society
Those aren't real Americans... they're Obamatons.
Posted Sep-12-2012 Bysprodge (1343.86) 
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@sprodge Funny to hear a guy with a picture of a Russian cosmonaut talk about true patriotism...
Posted Sep-12-2012 Bym-lom (570.84) 
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But its ok, I'd rather have Americans appreciate/understand other cultures and countries than be complete bigots and be hated by everyone in the world, including our allied countries.
Posted Sep-12-2012 ByOrwellian_Society (464.90) Orwellian_Society View Channel Send Message
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Democrats haven't a clue.
Posted Sep-12-2012 Bygovett (944.70) govett View Channel Send Message
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Well WTF do liberals know about America?
They are not at their core in congruence with the founding beliefs of this country anyway.
They are more inline with what the founders of this country left behind in Europe and expressly wished to establish a separation from.
Posted Sep-12-2012 ByBoing (61.10) 
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How senile is the Admiral to not notice that... or to be at the DNC in the first place?
Stay classy, democrites!
Posted Sep-12-2012 Bysprodge (1343.86) 
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In homage to our marxist POTUS.
Posted Sep-12-2012 Byrakkasans (230.88) 
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Most democrats are military illiterates.
Posted Sep-12-2012 ByNagold (192.98) 
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@Nagold Most republicans are illiterate period.
Posted Sep-12-2012 Bym-lom (570.84) 
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Oh, I see. Now we know what you are.
Posted Sep-12-2012 Bycopperdog3 (1040.04) 
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@copperdog3 Yes, I'm independent.
That stupid comment deserved another stupid one.
Posted Sep-12-2012 Bym-lom (570.84) 
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I think this was done on purpose
Posted Sep-12-2012 Byspeakamerican (298.80) 
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this does not surprise me.
Posted Sep-12-2012 ByNuckelhed (328.70) 
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Oh no...LMAO!
The idiot parade is at full straight.
Posted Sep-12-2012 ByRustyNailer (1561.10) 
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Stay stupid America.
But look at the bright side, we never fail at that...
Posted Sep-12-2012 ByOrwellian_Society (464.90) Orwellian_Society View Channel Send Message
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I call BS.... I want to see better images of it first
Posted Sep-12-2012 Bym-lom (570.84) 
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Might want to check the source: navytimes.com. I am assuming that they can tell the difference between a frigate and a battleship. Just sayin'.
Posted Sep-12-2012 Bycopperdog3 (1040.04) 
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OMG how the fuck did this happen?
Posted Sep-12-2012 Byggppgg (901.30) 
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I know......Did ANYONE see the tribute to vets at the RNC????????????.............ANYONE???????????????????????????...................Anyone at all??????????????????????????????????????????????????
Posted Sep-12-2012 Bycdlcrash (325.20) 
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LOL! No shit! Or their last president bush or vice cheney.
Posted Sep-12-2012 By1xx (306.20) 
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