
German politicians from across the spectrum have reacted furiously to warnings by Italy’s Mario Monti that Bundestag control over EU debt policies threatens to bring about the “disintegration” of the European project.
“We must make it clear to Mr Monti that we Germans will not shut down our democracy to pay Italian debts,” said Alexander Dobrindt, secretary-general of Bavaria’s Social Christians (CSU).
Bundestag president Norbert Lammert said parliament’s integrity cannot be subordinated to the ups and downs of the markets. Free Democrat (FDP) leaders said Italy’s unelected prime minister is playing with political fire by trying to circumvent democratic legitimacy.
The dispute comes as relations between Germany and Italy touch the lowest ebb since the Second World War, with Il Giornale publishing a front-page picture of Chancellor Angela Merkel under the headline “Fourth Reich”.
“The tone of the debate has turned dangerous. We must be careful that Europe does not rip itself apart,” said German foreign minister, Guido Westerwelle. He himself fanned the flames over the weekend, saying he was “categorically” against further expansion of the EU rescue machinery or bond purchases by the European Central Bank. “I can’t imagine that a majority of the Bundestag will back unlimited debt liabilities,” he said.
The outburst leaves it unclear whether Germany will agree to activate the eurozone rescue fund (EFSF) on acceptable terms if Spain and Italy request bail-outs, the political trigger needed for ECB bond purchases under the “Draghi Plan”. Mrs Merkel and finance minister Wolfgang Schauble back ECB action but revolt within her coalition threatens to spread beyond a hard core.
Marchel Alexandrovich, from Jefferies, said the greater risk is that Spain and Italy recoil from a rescue now that bond spreads have fallen back. “This could drag on for months,” he said.
Yields on two-year Spanish debt fell 44 points to 3.37pc on Monday, the lowest since April. The IBEX index in Madrid rose 4.4pc. Hopes that the ECB will soon open up its big guns overshadowed an EU-IMF Troika leak that Cyprus is in “worse shape” than feared, requiring more than €10bn (£8bn) in aid.
Hans Redeker, from Morgan Stanley, said Mrs Merkel has a clear interest in pushing Spain and Italy into rescues now before opponents are ready for elections. “We’re moving into a phase of ECB monetisation. No investor can afford to lose out on the sugar rush,” he said.----
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9457368/Germany-and-Italy-near-blows-over-euro.html
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The European version of heaven and the European version of hell:
In the European version of heaven:
The French are the cooks
The Germans are the auto mechanics
The Swiss are the bankers
The Italians are the social directors
The British are the police
In the European version of hell:
The British are the cooks
The French are the auto mechanics
The Italians are the bankers
The Swiss are the social directors
The Germans are the police
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByPunch_The_Monkey (1156.28) 
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@Punch_The_Monkey best comment of the week.
Posted Aug-7-2012 Bycircularlife (472.00) 
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@IIVXTII > America is "technically" made up of the people with balls who left their village- they were willing to Risk it all.
Err, not exactly, that's a romanticized view but not an accurate one. It had nothing to do with balls, they basically hadn't much choice: either stay in the overpopulated 'old country' and risk starvation and a miserable life, or take their chances in the brave new world.
Most of the people that emigrated to America were really poor people that had nothin More..
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByJcRabbit (37.64) 
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What are these parasites thinking of? Germany has just to pay more than everybody else and shut the fuck up, or what? We should leave the circus and then these useless bums will beg on their knees for german money. EU was a good idea just like socialism. The only problem: its not working. Too many selfish useless assholes are misusing the whole system. "Let the others work for the candy. Them evil Krauts, they started a war some thousand years ago..."
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByMrSlave (1155.76) 
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@MrSlave
Do you realy think Germany Administation would give money for nothing?
As i see it, economicaly weak countries in the EU get a currency that raises their standard of living and gives them greater opportunities to invest in non-EU countries, economicaly stronger countries get a currency that enables them to achieve greater export; so it benefits everyone.
The main problem is non-existing and non-functioning mechanisms for combating corruptions in some countries.
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByAkumAone (3.00) 
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@MrSlave I agree, but don't see what choice Germany has
1. You can't let your banks, who financed so much in Southern Europe, to go bankrupt
2. As exporters you need the poor countries to keep the Euro low and affordable for foreigners to buy your goods
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByElegantDecline (2129.68) 
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@Deeki Ah its pissing me off buddy. Germany pays the most for this circus and what do we get from those who live from our mo?
http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120615/yamini20120615150420687.jpg
And the fucking italians are no better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bPqaqGJ5Js
You can be sure they will gladly take german help and spit in our faces at the same time.
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByMrSlave (1155.76) 
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Why not let Germany run the Eurozone? They seem to be about the only ones who don't spend money like teenage girls with their daddy's credit cards.
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByTMoray1 (735.06) 
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@Philein I'm not playing the pot calling the kettle black in regard to the other countries. The US is just as bad.
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByTMoray1 (735.06) 
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Unleash the panzer divisions! Roll into Rome!
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByTexan_in_China (96.60) 
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@Texan_in_China
Or just dont give them any money anymore. Much worse for them actually.
Posted Aug-7-2012 Bycoolhund (362.82) coolhund View Channel Send Message
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The Italians are showing their Latin flourishes and getting excitable...its irresponsible to shout about disintegration when it leads to billions off the stock market every time
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByElegantDecline (2129.68) 
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The Eurozone is finished, wether Germany likes it or not, it is inevitable and hopefully it will happen soon because the longer we go on the worse it gets for everyone...
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByFerrante (391.24)

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@Ferrante With EU-members like Italy it was finished before we even started. Send Sylvio and the mafia some regards from me.
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByMrSlave (1155.76) 
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@MrSlave European Northern and Southern culture have *always* been different, no idea why people act so surprised these days.
Southern culture was always more easy-going and based on agriculture, tourism and living of the sea. Northern culture was always more based on Industrialization.
What I am against is this generalization that people who live in southern Europe are 'slackers' and therefore do not deserve any support when things go bad *globally*. That is simply not true.
Germany has als More..
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByJcRabbit (37.64) 
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Everything running according to plan.
Posted Aug-7-2012 Bywhatduh (438.36) 
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Looks like the Marshall plan backfired then.
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByUKGEZR (309.40) 
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a failed project from the word go, a political tool to force financial and hopefully social cohesion to a bunch of disparate nations with differing ideals and histories ... a laudable goal but in reality the architects of such a scheme should be hanging their heads in shame and embarrassment.
Posted Aug-7-2012 Bythecleaner001 (11776.88) 
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@MrScabs yep, I agree entirely, I'd like to see them strung-up but I was trying to be charitable!
Posted Aug-7-2012 Bythecleaner001 (11776.88) 
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The Germans should kidnap Mussolini and his wife.
Posted Aug-7-2012 ByCargeLock (1981.92) 
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Es lebe Deutschland!
Posted Aug-7-2012 Bycircularlife (472.00) 
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