Hi LLers.
My heart has been grieving because of the death of little children by the hands of that deranged kid in Connecticut.
I've been through many wars in Africa, but I've never experienced the deliberate massacre of innocent kids up to this time.
There has been many theories regarding how such kind of incidents can be minimized or even stopped. Many people have called for the arming of school teachers, the provision of at least 1 policeman in every school, and some have even called for the arming of school children.
One important fact that people bypass is that most of these recent shootings/massacre have been perpetuated by seemingly harmless, intelligent, rich (or middle class) people. You'd expect that these kind of people would have better access to mental healthcare because of their financial status (or their parents'), but the reverse have been the case.
On the side, I RESPECT gangbangers 100% more than I respect these shooters because gangbangers almost never intentionally shoot at innocent people, they shoot at rival gangbangers.
Well, i've been doing a lot of thinking, trying to deduce a way or theory on how we can stop shameless acts like these from reoccurring. Unfortunately, I've been falling short.
As MATURED LLers, can we have a MATURE discussion on how we can reduce such incidents. As you comment, please be respectful, and do not curse. Just say what you have to say and reply to others appropriately.
THANK YOU!
By: African_living_in_USA
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"I've been through many wars in Africa, but I've never experienced the deliberate massacre of innocent kids up to this time." I hope you understand why I find this statement comical. I guess you haven't been to the Congo, Sudan, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, or any other country that has literally seen tens of thousands of children deliberately kidnapped, raped, or murdered.
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByThe_linguist (130.12) 
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I have the same reaction too.
Posted Dec-15-2012 By2Phast4Rocket (688.26) 
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@The_linguist
i didn't say it doesn't or has never happened. I said I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED IT.
Posted Dec-16-2012 ByAfrican_living_in_USA (35.40) 
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@The_linguist I reacted to that sentence too. But I think the point is that while children suffer in WAR in Africa, it is not very common for the whole point to be the killing of children. In africa it is either intrumental in terrorism, or incidental because of the overall war situation. This massacre here is seemingly for no reason. Ergo, the problem seems to be because of mental illness more than anything else.
Posted Dec-16-2012 Bywellybub (347.68) 
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Rampant killings aren't a common issue in the USA.
The notion that we have a crazy, murderous, blood orgy of a national killstreak is nothing but a myth. Sure, our gun homicide rate is three times higher than the UK, but Mexico's gun homicide rate is 7 - 8 times as high as ours. And we live next to Mexico, and our country is full of Hispanic and African American gangs. They buff up our gun crime statistics. If we had the same level of gang activity as the UK, we would have the same firearm homic More..
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bylucidx1 (955.70) 
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amen
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bymongoose (955.10)

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@lucidx1
This is very true.
Just check out the facts. The stats.
Media makes it look like its happening every day, but almost all the shithole countries have way more gun homicidal action going on.
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bykosherfilms (280.10) kosherfilms View Channel Send Message
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@kosherfilms ...so you are okay with comparing USA with shithole countries. Good. Japan, a non-shithole country has almost NO gun crime. Compare your superior selves that that!
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByNepean109 (1015.80) 
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@kosherfilms Yup and who supplies them the weapons... operation fast and furious?
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByReCoN-DiTioN (135.40) 
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@Nepean109
Our gun crime rate is 3 people per 100,000. In the UK it's 1.2 people per 100,000. It's three times higher, technically, but three times higher of an already low amount. Like one, or three pennies. Mexico, just to our south, who spawns gun crime in the USA, has a full quarter, some of their cities have kennedy half dollars. We're pretty solid here. It's a geographical and social issue entirely unrelated to our gun laws go fuck yourself to anyone who doesn't understand that.
Posted Dec-16-2012 Bylucidx1 (955.70) 
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You have to look at what has changed in recent years that has created this epidemic:
1- Over prescribing of psycho active medications coupled with wrong and misguided psycho therapies. Combination of these two factors by themselves guarantee a zombie like population.
2- Extreme fear inducing media propaganda. The media is in constant war with some group and try to justify these wars. They accomplish this by creating fear and sense of imminent danger in people. Now given mental status of many More..
Posted Dec-16-2012 ByZumbee (292.08) 
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@Zumbee You are a insightful and intelligent poster. I wanna party with you. I'll bring the guns and weed, and you bring ammo and the booze.
Posted Dec-16-2012 Bygrunt (481.70) 
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Deal.
Posted Dec-16-2012 ByZumbee (292.08) 
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@Zumbee Great comment!
Posted Dec-16-2012 BySalmonellalover629 (542.70) 
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Very, very sad. How does someone become so desensitized that he can kill a child in cold blood? It shows the stress our people and country are enduring these past five years. It's not about the guns, it's about the crazies. Saying this massacre is about guns like saying the 911 attack was about airplanes.
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bywoodman (63.04) woodman View Channel Send Message
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@woodman well, 167 Pakistani children have dies in US drone attacks in the last year and they still go on, so there, it's easy really
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bynomadlife (113.90) nomadlife View Channel Send Message
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All murders are wrong. I don't support the killings of babies, whether in Pakistan, USA, Syria or Libya
Posted Dec-16-2012 ByAfrican_living_in_USA (35.40) 
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@nomadlife They are the children of Terrorist targets, or the children on those who gave them sanctuary. Tough shit. Don't invite a target into your house.
Posted Dec-16-2012 Bygrunt (481.70) 
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Either you live like you're free and deal with the horrible blips that being a free society allows or you live like a federal prison where you are constantly going through a checkpoint, showing ID, being searched, etc..
Posted Dec-16-2012 Byhamburger (562.60) 
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@hamburger Excellent comment.
Posted Dec-16-2012 BySalmonellalover629 (542.70) 
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Short answer... you can't.
If someone is determined to do something, either right or wrong... they will find a way. It's not a gun legislation problem... it's a society problem.
Posted Dec-16-2012 Bytsarbomba1 (193.06) 
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It starts when a child is taught good manners and respect for others , it doesn't totally solve the problem , but it's a start.
The children today are lacking in these basic principles , that no doubt the majority of parents are doing their best to teach them , but they are outnumbered by all the external influences out there and it shows.
The media in all it's forms , TV , movies , videos , music , video games , sports , to name a few , are all complicit in the moral decay of our society in More..
Posted Dec-16-2012 ByRustRocket (1419.60) 
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You're right. we need to bring back morals and respect to our society.
Posted Dec-16-2012 ByAfrican_living_in_USA (35.40) 
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@RustRocket I remember the first time I heard the term teabagging I was totaly shocked. When I was young if ANYONE had done that to me or any of my friends we would have knocked every tooth out of their head! I know it's a fucked up world when this any other stuff that would make a maggot gag is done as a "Joke". Moral decay is right.
Posted Dec-16-2012 Bymarc1921 (1459.56) 
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I am disgusted with the Lberal Democrats for mocking a beloved act of love and affection by the gay males of the world. It is disgraceful the way they insult th fags by mocking their behavior.
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That term does conjure up disturbing images!
Times have changed , I hardly recognize this country anymore!
Posted Dec-16-2012 ByRustRocket (1419.60) 
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@grunt
Well , personally , I myself cannot embrace the gay lifestyle , I like women , always have.
But , I on the other hand , am not a judge or a jury , it is not my place to tell people how they should live their lives.
I say live and let live.
And carry oneself with dignity and respect for themselves , and others , especially when in public.
Public displays of affection can be subjective , and it can easily encroach upon other peoples morals and ethics.
So whether a person is heterose More..
Posted Dec-16-2012 ByRustRocket (1419.60) 
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What do you need to know?
1st -- The left-leaning politicians and media-whores were immediate in their condemnation of guns and calling for gun control before knowing any facts of the shooter or situation. Therefore, the agenda is already there and they are looking for anything to attach their agenda to. To them, guns are evil, not people. It is much easier to blame an inanimate object than to look for personal responsibility.
2nd, every "great" movie is about death, shooting, se More..
Posted Dec-16-2012 Bydavidlamb12 (100.02) 
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Invoking the left in issues like this shows how ignorant America is becoming.
"A city divided among itself cannot stand"
Posted Dec-16-2012 ByAfrican_living_in_USA (35.40) 
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@African_living_in_USA Well, I'm not in America, but have a keen interest in American politics. The response of the left is important to observe as to how it relates to actually solving the problem of these kinds of incidences. Those who ignore the communist-left, will be steamrolled by it. It has happened repeatedly in history, as you yourself should know, being from Africa.
Posted Dec-17-2012 Bydavidlamb12 (100.02) 
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You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. More..
Posted Dec-16-2012 ByWellArmed (57.90) 
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They even make movies based on the lives of serial murderers. Why, why why?
smh
Posted Dec-16-2012 ByAfrican_living_in_USA (35.40) 
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Well said!
Posted Dec-16-2012 Bynewbornconservative (209.46) 
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I wouldn't be so eager to respect gang bangers , they open fire at rival gangs without any concern for innocent lives that may end due to their shitty aim .i'd be willing to bet that More kids have died from stray bullets fired by gang bangers.. Then there's the deliberate recruitment of kids into gangs ...
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bysoilentgreene (785.00) 
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It's time we stop allowing prescription drugs with suicidal/psychotic thoughts to be marketed.
Posted Dec-15-2012 BySatanIsGoodSatanIsOurPal (250.70) SatanIsGoodSatanIsOurPal View Channel Send Message
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@SatanIsGoodSatanIsOurPal And giving them to 5 year olds. If you can't raise a kid without drugging them into a stupor, don't have one.
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Touche! You're right
Posted Dec-16-2012 ByAfrican_living_in_USA (35.40) 
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If only our government would outlaw murder! Then we would never have these senseless tragedies.
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Posted Dec-16-2012 ByBob_Lablaw (698.58) 
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Pay attention to your kids or they might do something like this.
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"...gangbangers almost never intentionally shoot at innocent people"
Dude, you're sadly misinformed. Happens daily across the country. Innocent bystanders, random people for the fun of it, and even targeted victims as a requirement for gang membership.
Posted Dec-16-2012 Byjoe prole (1642.20) 
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A lot of people are asking 'why?'. Because there are sick people out there that have anger issues and want attention. Media gives them exactly that for days on end. And they do that because people repeatedly tune in and bump their ratings. The media has a big part to do with these mass killings.
Psychiatrist, Dr. Park Dietz, explains how the attention given to the killings and the killer themselves is counter-productive. "Every time we have intense saturation coverage of a mass murder, we More..
Posted Dec-16-2012 By1shot555 (190.28) 
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Amen to that
Posted Dec-16-2012 ByAfrican_living_in_USA (35.40) 
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