Girl, who was raped by her uncle, seeks to travel to U.K. for procedure
BUCHAREST, Romania - Twenty church groups on Thursday urged a government committee not to allow an 11-year-old girl who was raped by her uncle go to Britain for an abortion.
The anti-abortion Christian Orthodox groups also threatened to press charges if the girl were allowed to have a termination in Romania on exceptional grounds.
Their position was in contrast to the official stand of the Romanian Orthodox Church, which said the decision should be left to the girl's family.
A government committee is to decide on Friday whether the girl can go to Britain for an abortion or must continue the pregnancy. A Romanian living in Britain has offered to meet the costs.
The girl's pregnancy only became known earlier this month when her parents took her to a doctor because she appeared unwell. She told doctors she had been raped by her 19-year-old uncle, who has since disappeared.
She is now 20 weeks pregnant. The legal limit for abortions in Romania is 14 weeks. Abortions can be carried out later only to save the life of the mother.
In Britain an abortion is legal up to 24 weeks if two doctors decide that the risk to a woman's physical or mental health will be greater if she continues with the pregnancy than if she ends it.
The case has bitterly split the medical community, child rights groups and the public.
Split within church
In a statement, the church groups offered "material, spiritual and psychological help" to the child's impoverished family, adding they would also rear the child in a church institution if the family was unable to care for it.
But splits were apparent even within the church.
Constantin Stoica, spokesman for the Romanian Orthodox Church, to which more than 80 percent of Romanians belong, said Wednesday it was "an exceptional situation which must be treated in an exceptional manner and the family is the only one to take this decision."
He said the church considers abortion a crime, but this belief applies to normal circumstances and not to incest or rape.
The National Child Protection Authority has said the girl should be allowed to have an abortion because she is already traumatized by the experience of rape and pregnancy.
The National Doctors Council, however, said that the rights of the fetus should be considered and the pregnancy should go ahead. They argued that abortion laws should not be liberalized further.

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JFC why does the church need to be involved they weren't there to keep the sick freak of a cousin from rapping her to begin with and now there basicaly mind rapping her once again by making her and the family go through with the pregnancy.
Dont mis understand I think in this case it should be left up to the girl and her family to decide. I dont think women should use it as a form of birth control but I dont think they should have to continue with a pregnacy if that is her wish. I am greatfu More..
Posted Jun-26-2008 Bydragonfly4u (46.48) dragonfly4u View Channel Send Message
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"Only a moral and virtuous people are capable of freedom" - Benjamin Franklin
Why is murder your first option? Why not adopt the baby? Do you even consider the psychological and physical trauma associated with abortion?
You clearly don't have a clue what kind of help churches provide. Just to clue you in, before LBJ gave 6 Trillion of our tax money to lazy crackheads, it was churches who took care of the poor, well they still do and do a much better job of it.
Posted Jun-26-2008 By_Byron_ (930.50) 
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korekt again...
Posted Jun-26-2008 ByimONthPEOPLElivingLIFEinP (34.06) 
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it seams to me that we tend to take this issue as the war type issue: "attack or don't attack" - "abort or don't abort". It is a gray scale issue.
I say don't abort unless it is absolutley necessary for mother's health...give birth and than help in some way that child. We are humans...we are known for the capability of turning bad into good. It is not an issue of a verdict, it is an issue of helping out.
Posted Jun-26-2008 ByimONthPEOPLElivingLIFEinP (34.06) 
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I don't think anyone has a problem with abortion with respect to the mothers safety, I for one don't.
Posted Jun-26-2008 By_Byron_ (930.50) 
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By the way you guys...the girl in discussion has already reached 21 weeks in pregnancy....so...what she has in her uterus is very much alive...some scientists are saying it allready has memory, it already IS PEARSON...so...if you would get it out (her baby) he/she would be alive and could stand a chance to live...
Second..even if you abort it it is usualy donne trough CESAREAN BIRTH...AT THIS AGE AND DIMENSIONS. When you do this kind of operation you are taking it out ALIVE...so the procedure More..
Posted Jun-26-2008 ByimONthPEOPLElivingLIFEinP (34.06) 
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We dont see too much about the abortion issue, when we have muslims and all kinds of other right wingery to talk about. Good post.
Posted Jun-26-2008 Bybro77dog (519.74) 
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so the poor kid who's 11 ends up having to give birth to a rapists baby?shame on you romania.
Posted Jun-26-2008 Bydavementall (251.68) davementall View Channel Send Message
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I guess it's ok to kill an innocent baby if the circumstances in which it was conceived were shitty.
Meanwhile our supreme court decided States don't have the right to execute child rapists.
Posted Jun-26-2008 By_Byron_ (930.50) 
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Your a trickster with language. The SC argued that execution of a child rapist does not equal the crime which is what we base crime and punishment, and it has nothing to do with rights.
What does have to do with rights, is the right to control your own body. It's a touchy and tough issue, but it must be solved thru education and medical technology that prevents pregnancy thus preventing abortion.
Posted Jun-26-2008 Bybro77dog (519.74) 
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part of the decision was based on the fact that most little girls are raped by family members. They felt that little girls would not turn in thier "loved ones" if they thought they would be put to death. I can understand that.
I think most girls would keep the story secret if it would result in the death of their uncle, father etc.
I hadn't even thought of it that way until I heard the details of the ruling.
Posted Jun-26-2008 ByEpitope (653.06) Epitope Send Message
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Yeah God forbid we believe in the sanctity of life. What a cancer.
You humanists birthed communism, socialism, fascism, Marxism and Stalinism. Great job A holes
Posted Jun-26-2008 By_Byron_ (930.50) 
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My point is on one hand they defend the rapist,(cruel and unusual, the 8th amendment refers to the method, not the act, capital punishment is neither cruel or unusual, in fact it's quite common) on the other were supposed to just kill children because the mother was raped? What kind of twisted logic is that?
Posted Jun-26-2008 By_Byron_ (930.50) 
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If it was my daughter i would, without question have the preg. terminated. for her own safety and health... seems it would have to be done... my daughter is close to that age... no way her lil body could handle that... what a horrible thing for a child to go through...
Posted Jun-26-2008 Bykozgear (58.84) kozgear View Channel Send Message
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This poor girl has to endure a pregnancy and raise the child of her rapist because people believe an invisible man in the sky gave the fetus a 'soul'. Fucking retard Christians.
Posted Jun-26-2008 ByBad Bubby (274.40) Bad Bubby View Channel Send Message
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"Only a moral and virtuous people are capable of freedom" - Benjamin Franklin
You can keep your head firmly ensconced in the sand but most people recognize our creator. This nation is founded on the principle that freedom is a gift from God. You may not like it, but most people believed in the sanctity of life. Get a grip you anti religious bigot
Posted Jun-26-2008 By_Byron_ (930.50) 
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In one respect I agree with you but don't go throwing out the baby with the bath water. Dogma aside, churches and religious institutions (Islam aside) have done so much for the poor. Hell Hawaiians have a written language because of missionaries.
Posted Jun-26-2008 By_Byron_ (930.50) 
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Children having children pose so many health risks. I mean, we're talking about an 11 year old who was raped here. No child should lose their childhood, especially at such a young age, because some ass hole cared nothing for her welfare or well-being and raped her.
There is a greater risk that the baby will be born either stillborn or with a number of health risks, than the chance that the baby is just 80% healthy.
It's really sick and twisted to criticise and judge this girl and her famil More..
Posted Jun-26-2008 ByHarpy (373.10) Harpy View Channel Send Message
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you don't think a child killing her unborn child poses some psychological and health risks?
Posted Jun-26-2008 By_Byron_ (930.50) 
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das ist sooo korekt. Afterall she did reach 21 weeks in pregnancy...without any help from doctors....
Posted Jun-26-2008 ByimONthPEOPLElivingLIFEinP (34.06) 
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Yes, there are risks involved there as well. But it is her (and her parent's in this case) choice whether or not to abort the fetus. Why should anyone else have the ability to make decisions on another's body?
Posted Jun-26-2008 ByHarpy (373.10) Harpy View Channel Send Message
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By the way...after 21 weeks of pregnancy,...the person (the 11 year old girl) has allready been half way of a mother. Changes in her organism had allready happened..so...I don't think she is a child anymore...But we should thank her uncle for that...we should not blame the baby. HE/she has the same reasons to live just as the rest of us.
We have to break the circle at one point. We should find ways to sustain both of them.
It is a gray scale issue.
Posted Jun-26-2008 ByimONthPEOPLElivingLIFEinP (34.06) 
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Not allowing her the choice to abort the fetus only reinforces what she is probably thinking now -- She has no choice in life.
Just like she had no choice not to be raped, now she has to birth that abomination?
Posted Jun-26-2008 ByHarpy (373.10) Harpy View Channel Send Message
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She can't vote, probably can't buy alcahol, maybe her parents won't let her watch 'R' rated movies. She's a CHILD, of course we don't want her to make that kind of decision.
Hell most of the reason I'd never want to relive my childhood is the fact I wasn't in control of my own destiny; God help me if I was able to do all the crap I wanted to do, I'd probably have cartoon characters tattooed all over my body. At least tattoos can be removed, the guilt of killing a baby is something far harder to More..
Posted Jun-26-2008 By_Byron_ (930.50) 
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a baby having a baby isn't exactly a fairytale but i guess you can let her have it and scar her for life again
Posted Jun-27-2008 ByTheEspada (46.02) TheEspada View Channel Send Message
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So you think babies are scarring to our lives? You don't think her killing her baby would have some scarring factors or you think killing her baby would allow her to heal? I don't get your twisted logic
Posted Jun-27-2008 By_Byron_ (930.50) 
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a 11 year old having a child is but i guess you missed the point o well get raped at 11 force you to have a baby sounds better i guess!
Posted Jun-27-2008 ByTheEspada (46.02) TheEspada View Channel Send Message
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The world record for survival of a fetus/baby is 21 weeks and 5 days. That child now lives a normal healthy life.
How can the UK allow abortion be 24 weeks. I am pro abortion but the upper limit should not be so late. However such late abortions are very rare.
Posted Jun-27-2008 ByPanda07 (211.32) 
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Hey Guys-
Just saw an update on this story on CNN. Romania is going to allow her to have the abortion there. It's a short article so posting here:
CNN) -- A Romanian government committee has decided to allow a pregnant 11-year-old who was raped by her teenage uncle to have an abortion, a government spokesman said Friday.
The girl is 21 weeks pregnant -- too far along to have an abortion in Romania, where the limit is 14 weeks unless the pregnancy poses problems for the mother's health More..
Posted Jun-27-2008 ByHarpy (373.10) Harpy View Channel Send Message
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Europe that spawned the most brutal dictatorships the world has ever known. Yeah thats like asking Tiger Woods to take golf tips from me.
Posted Jun-26-2008 By_Byron_ (930.50) 
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Well here in America we still value life. The problem we face is liberal bureaucrats get themselves entrenched into positions immune from election and become activists.
Actually France, England and much of Eastern Europe has gone conservative, they just don't get media attention.
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Sadly, Romania has a long way to go towards progress. I believe the government recently practiced legislation banning homosexuality.
Posted Jun-26-2008 Bykhara (1370.26) khara View Channel Send Message
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*gasp* oh no, you mean this backwards country hasn't come to it's senses and hasn't given it's affernation to this sexual deviancy?
Posted Jun-26-2008 By_Byron_ (930.50) 
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That sounds like REAL progress to me !!! Ban them all.
Posted Jun-27-2008 Byricsi (177.82) ricsi View Channel Send Message
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