"Contrary to a popular misperception, all forms of tobacco are not equally risky. Smokeless tobacco causes neither lung cancer nor other diseases of the lung, and users have no excess risk for heart attacks. In fact, the only consequential — but infrequent — adverse health effect of smokeless tobacco use is oral cancer. In 1981, writing in The New England Journal of Medicine, Dr. Deborah Winn and colleagues established that smokeless tobacco users are four times more likely to develop oral cancer than are nonusers of tobacco. However, this relative risk is only about one half the relative risk of oral cancer from smoking."
"Statistics from the CDC indicate that more than 1.5 million smokers have used smokeless tobacco to quit smoking. The transition is possible because the spike of nicotine that addicted smokers seek is effectively delivered by smokeless tobacco. Furthermore, newer smokeless tobacco products are essentially invisible in use, as they occupy no more space than a breath mint or a piece of chewing gum. A small, pre-packaged pouch of tobacco is tucked discreetly between the cheek and gum, where it delivers nicotine across the lining of the mouth. Spitting, once the stigma of outmoded and bulky "chewing" tobacco, is minimal or nonexistent. We recently published the first profiles of a group of "switchers." They came from all walks of life and switched to smokeless tobacco after smoking many years (25 years on average). Some switched to smokeless after months or years of abstinence and continuous craving. The transition proved stable in this group, as the average duration of smokeless tobacco use after quitting smoking was nine years.
What do switchers accomplish? Our research shows that they will live, on average, as long as those smokers who quit nicotine altogether. They reduce their risks for smoking-related illness and death, which is the goal of all existing smoking cessation efforts. There is, of course, no debate about the ideal way to achieve this goal: complete tobacco abstinence. But that ideal is not always attainable since many smokers are unable to give up nicotine. Switching to smokeless tobacco is a small compromise with the ideal which reaps large individual and public health gains."
"Health professionals often recommend prevention strategies that carry small risks. For example, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) is evaluating the drug tamoxifen as a preventive agent for women with a high risk for breast cancer. However, although tamoxifen may reduce breast cancer risk, it increases the risk of cancer of the uterus. The NCI believes that the benefits from tamoxifen may outweigh the risks. Substituting smokeless tobacco for smoking is a wise risk-reduction strategy because it reduces all smoking-related risks and introduces no new risks.
It has been suggested that it is not appropriate for health professionals to recommend smokeless tobacco for smokers because the patient-switcher might develop mouth cancer. But concerned physicians and dentists understand that it is their moral and ethical obligation to help patients make informed lifestyle choices, all of which involve benefits and risks. One example is the recommendation to substitute oral methadone for intravenous heroin, a practice approved by the FDA in 1973 and now an accepted harm-reduction alternative for heroin users. Providing information about an alternative to smoking that is 98 percent safer is not only consistent with the highest standards of medical ethics, it is mandated by them."
Source: http://www.acsh.org/healthissues/newsid.744/healthissue_detail.asp
"For years, the public has been warned that smokeless tobacco is dangerous. But how does it compare to smoking cigarettes?
"Smokeless tobacco is, without a question of a doubt, far less harmful than cigarette smoking," said Ken Warner, dean of the University of Michigan School of Public Health.
But public health advocates disagree about how much safer smokeless tobacco is. One study by London's Royal College of Physicians found it to be more than 10 times safer than cigarettes.
Both products contain large amounts of nicotine. But nicotine alone is about as unhealthy as caffeine. It is the cigarette's smoke, which delivers the nicotine to the lungs, that is most lethal.
"I think there's a great opportunity here to understand the difference between the drug and how it's delivered, and if we can move to cleaner forms of delivery for nicotine, far, far fewer people are going to die," said David Sweanor, legal counsel for the Non-Smokers' Rights Association.
The safest way to deliver nicotine, health experts say, is through a patch, inhaler or gum. But those products provide such small amounts of nicotine that only about 10 percent of smokers who use them succeed in quitting.
Smokeless tobacco -- with high amounts of nicotine -- may be a more realistic alternative."
Source: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/QuitToLive/story?id=1322995
"Smokeless tobacco products, as used in Europe and North America, do not appear to increase cancer risk. A large meta-analysis, published in the open access journal BMC Medicine, has shown that snuff as used in Scandinavia has no discernible effect on the risk of various cancers. Products used in the past in the USA may have increased the risk, but any effect that exists now seems likely to be quite small."
Source: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090728201734.htm
Regarding Snus-
"Even its critics admit that snus is less harmful than other forms of smokeless tobacco. And it is far less harmful than cigarette smoking."
Source: http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/features/snus-tobacco-health-risks
"Cigarette smoking is the leading cause of preventable death in the United States,2 accounting for approximately 443,000 deaths, or 1 of every 5 deaths, in the United States each year.3,4"
CDC does not report on comparisons between ratio death rates of smokers per capita to smokeless tobacco users per capita, in fact, it does not report on death rates from smokeless tobacco use at all on the basic fact sheet of smokeless tobacco. Instead the CDC opts for the scare tactic of "SMOKELESS TABOCCU IS NUT SAEF'R DEN SMORKING!"
Source: CDC fact sheet on Smoking and Smokeless tobacco (Print outs, I do not have a link, google it)
My final statements:
Smokeless tobacco is without a doubt safer than smoking cigarettes, but still not safe. Snus is the safest smokeless tobacco option, but I switched from smoking to dip about a week ago and I've noticed a distinct improvement in my cardio already (I used to smoke up to 10 cigarettes a day but I am a frequent jogger and train MMA for 2 hours four days a week, as well as varied calisthenics at home). Using dip tobacco has not only decreased my spending on tobacco products (a can of grizzly wintergreen, my personal choice costs only four - five dollars and lasts three times as long as a pack of smokes which costs twice as much) but has also left me feeling healthier and feeling safer about my general help and more confident in taking steps toward quitting nicotine addiction once and for all. I also enjoy smokeless tobacco now much more than I enjoyed smoking and have no urge to smoke at all. To close, smokers out there who are concerned about their health, consider switching to smokeless tobacco products for your own health.
-Lucidx1

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Smokeless, Is that chewing tobacco ?
Posted Sep-4-2012 ByBoweavel (122.60) 
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Chew, Dip and Snus.
Posted Sep-4-2012 Bylucidx1 (989.50) 
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Snuff..yes
Posted Sep-4-2012 ByBlklight (2013.06) 
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This article doesn't refer to snuff however, snuff is inhaled in the nose, this article is about oral smokeless tobaccos, as the title indicates.
Posted Sep-4-2012 Bylucidx1 (989.50) 
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Ok thanks for the correction, I always thought snuff was snus but I stand corrected
Posted Sep-4-2012 ByBlklight (2013.06) 
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To be fair, many dip varieties are marketed as "moist snuff." It's a very nondescript term with no exact definition but traditionally, real snuff is sniffed into the nose and what is sometimes called moist snuff is just another name for dip.
Posted Sep-4-2012 Bylucidx1 (989.50) 
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but it will put holes in your mouth
Posted Sep-4-2012 Byrlnbns (1541.82) 
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Maybe, if you use it for years upon years religiously with a very alkaline dip. Some people are predisposed to adverse effects and those are the ones you hear about most. Overall, it's much less dangerous than smoking, which causes immediate pulmonary and cardiovascular harm.
Edit: The fact that you can't see the negative effects of smoking is what makes it so harmful, it's very easy to tell if something is eating away at the inside of your mouth, which for most people, does not happen More..
Posted Sep-4-2012 Bylucidx1 (989.50) 
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cancer is cancer
i been dipping for 20 years+ and i know i have to quit
Posted Sep-4-2012 Byrlnbns (1541.82) 
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Yes, cancer is cancer. Dipping is safer than smoking, and I'm trying to quit nicotine altogether eventually. You're no wiser. Frequency of oral cancer from using using dip is no where close to frequency of lung cancer from smoking, as well, the oral cancer rate is twice as high in smoking than it is in dipping.
Posted Sep-4-2012 Bylucidx1 (989.50) 
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Smokeless tobacco is an addictive carcinogen that grosses out a lot more people than you might think. I got hooked on it when I was twenty and quitting it at age twenty-six was several months of hell. Stay away from it if you know what's good for you.
Posted Sep-4-2012 Byjohn1054 (5514.24)

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It's nowhere near as bad for as smoking and I'm slowly trying to quite nicotine anyways.
And one of those steps I took is to stop using nicotine products in public. Smoking is absolutely disgusting, dipping is pretty gross, why do it outside? I can go six hours without a dip before craving nicotine, when I smoked I could hardly go an hour and a half.
Posted Sep-4-2012 Bylucidx1 (989.50) 
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Good luck!
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@john1054 Try the Snus, no one can either see or smell it when i have a snus under my lip =)
Posted Sep-6-2012 ByMisterG (31.40) 
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Back when I dipped I visited Norway and bought a tin of your style stuff in Tromso. Holy shit it was strong!
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Did you put it in the upper or lower lip ? :p
Posted Sep-7-2012 ByMisterG (31.40) 
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Nobody is stopping you. Go ahead and waste your money and get oral cancer as a bonus.
Posted Sep-4-2012 ByAfro Samurai (427.34) Afro Samurai View Channel Send Message
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I'm saving money compared to what I'm used to, decreasing my overall tobacco intake, cutting my carcinogen intake by 90% and eliminating adverse effects to my cardiovascular system.
I never said it was good for you, I said it was better than smoking.
Posted Sep-4-2012 Bylucidx1 (989.50) 
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Yes chewing is better than smoking like having your arm chopped off and bleeding a slow death is better than having your head sawed off with a rusty blade. You get to enjoy those last few moments for sure
Posted Sep-4-2012 ByBlklight (2013.06) 
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No, in the article I have provided it's quite conclusive that oral tobacco users quite often live as long as the general pop, and in a 1994 study there is data that while an average smoker loses at net 8 years off their life, the average oral tobacco user loses about 15 minutes.
This article was for people who are willing to understand the points that it raises, and appreciate that oral tobacco is much, much, much safer than smoking despite claims otherwise.
Again, I never said it More..
Posted Sep-4-2012 Bylucidx1 (989.50) 
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No doubt, not arguing with you on that. Just saying that using any form of tobacco whether it be smoking or dipping is not good for your health. Tobacco is bad and chewing it doesn't negate that fact. At the very least you will admit it is terribly addictive, even if it didn't outright kill you.
Posted Sep-4-2012 ByBlklight (2013.06) 
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Yes, it's addictive and no doubt, far from healthy. I just find the lack of information on how a switch from smoking to smokeless tobacco (when quitting either isn't desired or is to difficult to go cold turkey) is a great risk-reduction strategy, it doesn't eliminate all risks, but the lack of adverse effects on the cardiovascular system I find to be most shocking, as well as the lower oral cancer rate than smoking, which seems like a bullshit statement at first, but one must acknowl More..
Posted Sep-4-2012 Bylucidx1 (989.50) 
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I prefer electronic cigarettes. Cheaper and they taste good.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com
Posted Sep-4-2012 Byfusselkater (422.18) 
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let's pack liiiiiiiiip
Posted Sep-4-2012 Bydietcokesucks (1006.40) 
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well well what is going to be put on the list next. tobacco. they raised the price by taxing it out the ass, along with alcohol. trying to get people to stop using it. they even outlawed it once before in the past. still didn't stop the use of it. i have chewed tobacco for about 30 years. yes it is habit forming. politicians and bad government is more of a health risk.
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Who sponsored this BS study Skoal?
Tobacco is poison plain and simple
Posted Sep-4-2012 ByBlklight (2013.06) 
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No. It's cute that you're unwilling to acknowledge facts though.
Posted Sep-4-2012 Bylucidx1 (989.50) 
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I know that tobacco is harmful to your health. That's all I"m saying
Posted Sep-4-2012 ByBlklight (2013.06) 
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Fair enough, but these sources are all reputable is what I mean. WebMD, ABC and ASCH aren't the kind of groups to accept tobacco sponsored tobacco studies lol. Sorry for my original curt response.
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It's all good, thanks though!
Posted Sep-4-2012 ByBlklight (2013.06) 
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I hate when they do this. What exactly does it mean when they say that smokeless tobacco is ten times safer than cigarettes? I thought cigarettes were not safe at all. To multiply that with ten doesn't make any sense. It would mean, logically, that smokeless tobacco is like smoking ten cigarettes instead of just smoking a cigarette. But that is not what they are trying to say. It is however, logically, what they are saying.
One comment here. I saw a documentary once talking about this. And whi More..
Posted Sep-4-2012 Bywellybub (354.08) 
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I compiled this article from various sources myself. By ten times it means based on empirical data the risk of regular use of smokeless tobaccos (dip) is a factor of ten smaller than smoking. Smoking causes higher rates of oral cancer even than smokeless tobacco, the only cancer smokeless tobacco can cause is oral cancer basically and even then, it's only half as likely as with smoking. Not to mention smokeless tobaccos do not introduce any new risks and have no adverse effects on car More..
Posted Sep-4-2012 Bylucidx1 (989.50) 
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i quit smoking last november, and now enjoy my Snus, wich i buy across the border of sweden for half the prize here in norway =))
Posted Sep-6-2012 ByMisterG (31.40) 
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That's a good deal, how much do you pay for it though?
Here the going rate for a can of grizzly wintergreen (my preference) is 4 - 5 bucks, that might seem steep by your standards perhaps, but keep in mind a pack of smokes (American Spirit, my old brand) is around 9 dollars in my state.
Posted Sep-7-2012 Bylucidx1 (989.50) 
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Prices in Norway
Cigarettes 20 pack 15- 19 USD
Can 25 gram Snus 13 USD
Sweden
20 Cigarettes around 7,5 USD
25 Gram Snus 4,5 to 5 USD
Im allowed to bring 250 gram with me for each visit in sweden. Or we bring per person.
I travel to the border 1-2 times a month to buy tobacco, meat, soda, etc. Saves around 350 to 500 USD each month =)
Posted Sep-7-2012 ByMisterG (31.40) 
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That's a good deal, but I'm a bit shocked at how expensive tobacco is in Sweden! Is it just taxed to shit?
What is the price of a normal sized soda pop in a plastic bottle?
Posted Sep-16-2012 Bylucidx1 (989.50) 
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@lucidx1 Did you read my comment correctly ? The swedish prices are under half the prizes in Norway. Thats why we go to Sweden :P
Norway got high taxes on tobacoo, liqour, gas and cars.
Posted Sep-16-2012 ByMisterG (31.40) 
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Sorry I just mixed up that names.
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