François Hollande and Angela Merkel at loggerheads on first day of EU summit over demands for a "budgets tsar"
Ian Traynor, Brussels
The Guardian, Thursday 18 October 2012 18.35 BST

François Hollande walks away as Angela Merkel greets Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte prior to the start of the EU summit in Brussels.
France and Germany were locked in their worst showdown of the three-year euro crisis on Thursday evening, split between two conflicting approaches, with Berlin leading the charge for draconian new centralised powers over national budgets and Paris spearheading a campaign for quicker and easier bailouts of struggling countries and banks.
French president François Hollande, appearing at only his third EU summit in Brussels after having thrown down the gauntlet to Angela Merkel this week in an interview with the Guardian and other European newspapers, flatly dismissed German demands for a new European "budgets tsar" who would be able to overrule national governments and parliaments on tax-and-spend policies in the eurozone.
"The topic of this summit is not the fiscal union but the banking union, so the only decision that will be taken is to set up a banking union by the end of the year and especially the banking supervision," Hollande said. "Merkel has her own deadline, in September 2013," he added caustically, referring to next year's general election in which the German leader is seeking a third term.
The two leaders met before the summit began on Thursday to try to iron out their differences. They were seen walking together grim-faced into the summit room, with Hollande speaking to Merkel and the chancellor appearing to say 'no' three times.
The summit sought to come up with an agreement on putting the European Central Bank in charge of supervising the eurozone banking sector by the start of next year, Hollande's key demand.
Germany, which is dragging its feet on the banking supervisor despite having proposed the move in June, revived calls for an independent European budgets tsar based at the European Commission who would enjoy sweeping powers of enforcing fiscal rectitude by overruling national governments' and parliaments' budgetary policies.
"We are of the opinion, and I speak for the whole German government on this, that we could go a step further by giving Europe real rights of intervention in national budgets," Merkel told parliament in Berlin before arriving in Brussels.
The draft summit conclusions stipulated the aim of launching the banking supervisor in January next year, but Merkel was said to be trying to get that deadline altered or removed. "Quality must come before speed," she said. "There are a lot of very complicated legal questions."
Senior diplomats described the stand-off between France and Germany as substantive, but also entailing "a lot of smoke and mirrors", with both sides engaged in setting out strong positions before having to climb down at a later stage.
In the Guardian interview this week Hollande lambasted Merkel's crisis management over the past 30 months, arguing that the German fixation on austerity and debt reduction was making matters worse in the eurozone by triggering recession.
He is known to believe that Merkel is not listening to him, nor to the leaders of Spain or Italy. His clarion call is the need for greater "solidarity" in the eurozone.
"The Germans are telling the others that if you want solidarity, then this is the price you have to pay, we take control of your budget through a super-commissioner," said a senior EU diplomat. "The Germans are playing hardball. But the French and the Germans will have to do a deal. And they always do. Otherwise [the euro] collapses."
No breakthrough or deal was expected at the summit, though, because the leaders feel that the pressure from the financial markets on the euro and on borrowing costs for countries like Spain and Italy has lifted.
Herman Van Rompuy, the European Council president chairing the summit, hoped to finesse an overall agreement on the banking supervisor. But the new system is highly technical and complex. Even if the leaders reached an outline deal on the project, it will take months at least to iron out the detail, making it unlikely that the regime will be up and running by January as planned.
The summit also "explored" two new proposals from Van Rompuy aimed at stabilising the euro — a system of annual "contracts" struck between eurozone governments and the European Commission committing governments to reforms of their labour markets and other structural changes, as well as the establishment of a new eurozone "budget" that would be used to cushion the impact of the structural reforms and also as a redistribution mechanism within the single currency area.
The eurozone budget idea is contested, albeit still vague. The notion originates from Berlin which sees it as a way to deflect pressure for a more comprehensive system of "eurobonds", pooling the debt of the eurozone countries.
Despite conflicting pressures on Spain over whether to request a bailout, Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, who has an election in his native area of Galicia on Sunday, was not expected to ask for help. Behind the scenes the French-led camp is urging him to take a bailout, while the Germans are pushing him to resist because Merkel hopes to avoid taking the request to her parliament less than a year before seeking re-election.
Hollande is also insisting that the eurozone spell out the terms involved in a Spanish bailout before any request is tabled, while the Germans stick to the line that the request must come first and then the conditions negotiated.
Diplomats expect Spain to ask for a rescue before the end of the year and predict that the negotiations over it will be the toughest by far in the three-year euro and sovereign debt crisis.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/18/francois-holland-angela-merkel-divided-over-european-economic-policy
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Fuck the EU It's a shambles.
Posted Oct-18-2012 ByHolteEnder (192.50) 
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@HolteEnder Dam, you beat me to it.
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bypara001 (671.30) 
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I have tried to lift France out of the mud. But she will return to her errors and vomitings. I cannot prevent the French from being French.
Charles de Gaulle
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bygemini (1289.60) 
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Come on Germany, all you have to do is give up your children's future. That's not too much too ask.
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bybuttkracken (659.88) buttkracken View Channel Send Message
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Germany is a powerhouse that knows what it's dong and France is a rabble of underworked socialists who are about to drive their own economy off a cliff.
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bydorbie (2529.40) dorbie View Channel Send Message
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@dorbie
I dont feel like I can realy judge but I think Hollande and his very socialist ideas came at the wrong time for France. No country is in the position right now to give presents to its citizens.
But the French know whats best for them.
Posted Oct-18-2012 BySimba1 (1147.78) 
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@Simba1 LOL, very diplomatic. The French are about to fuck themselves on a Greek scale. They don't know what's best for them and that's the problem. They will get what they deserve though. Just be careful they don't drag you down.
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bydorbie (2529.40) dorbie View Channel Send Message
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@dorbie
Yup, about sums it up.
A lot of Europeans don't want to work. A lot of Germans don't want to STOP working.
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bycswartz (1142.30) 
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@Simba1 If they knew they wouldn't have voted for Hollande. But the alternative was none too good either.
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bykhamomil (1580.44) 
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Fuck the EU, you unelected fat fucks.
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bypara001 (671.30) 
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@para001 you calling merkel fat?
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bymatspur32 (843.40) 
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@matspur32 Everyone of them.
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bypara001 (671.30) 
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@para001 merkel was elected van rumpy wasent and Barroso,vote ukip the only party not classed as a nazi party by the libtards but they do try
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bymatspur32 (843.40) 
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@matspur32 Oh look pollox(or BOLLOX)as we would say is down pointing again. Change the record fuck nuts. You want the EU, you bail it out.
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bypara001 (671.30) 
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@para001 france has as much money as a spanish man in a bar after everyones paid for a round
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bymatspur32 (843.40) 
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Well, it is a damn complicated topic. The more I spend reading financial newspapers the more I get confused.
My lesson learned is: the more simplistic the opinion (on liveleak and elsewhere) the more wrong it is.
P.S. yes I know there is no such thing as "more wrong" or "less wrong" but I guess you understand what I am hinting at.
Posted Oct-18-2012 BySimba1 (1147.78) 
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@Simba1 maybe if you stoped trying to take over europe we might get somewere
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bymatspur32 (843.40) 
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Till the brits are not allowed to put their dirty noses in that subject,i'm OK with it.
The germans are intelligent and respectful,unlike others on the other side of the channel.
Posted Oct-18-2012 ByPOLUX (280.80) 
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@POLUX blah what do you know? your just germanys bitch
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bymatspur32 (843.40) 
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@shefti yea right you would love the uk to be another state,talking united states of nothing your probly from one
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bymatspur32 (843.40) 
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@shefti anyway our commonwealth is by far better, why would we need to be apart of your stupid states
Posted Oct-18-2012 Bymatspur32 (843.40) 
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@shefti Upvoted. I do like England, we have a few stuff to learn from them. Being a jerk in politics is not one of them.
Posted Oct-23-2012 ByTabestan (51.80) 
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Posted Oct-18-2012 Bychupamyculo (35.10) 
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Germany will invade and France will run.
Posted Oct-18-2012 ByKalazam (562.80) 
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1870, 1914, 1940...
2012??? LMAO!
http://youtu.be/fjpieIjFVSY
Posted Oct-18-2012 ByValleyBlacksmith (682.80) 
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I like Angela Merkel... She's got balls !!
(Probably got a penis too, but there you go).
Posted Oct-18-2012 ByBaxta76 (147.60)

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