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The New Weapon, FMG9.
Nasty little thing.
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When is this going on sell?
I'd sure like to buy one.
Posted Jul-18-2009 by "ChesterTheWorm" (R)
nice
Posted May-26-2009 by "cbr929rr" (R)
" This isn't anything we are going to produce..." !?!
This guy has a future in politics.
When you exhale cogar smoke through your nose without blinking, you're smoking way too much. When you have to have sex with no less than 3 people to get a rise, you're way too desensitised. When you can lie with such friendly smoothness that it sounds like you're talking to your best friends...you have lost your moral compass. Lies are worst when they are presented with the relaxed skill of a professional.
Posted May-26-2009 by "ericredbeard" (R)
This guy has a future in politics.
When you exhale cogar smoke through your nose without blinking, you're smoking way too much. When you have to have sex with no less than 3 people to get a rise, you're way too desensitised. When you can lie with such friendly smoothness that it sounds like you're talking to your best friends...you have lost your moral compass. Lies are worst when they are presented with the relaxed skill of a professional.
Uh, why exactly would he need to lie about this being something intended for production? Do you think he cares if someone disapproves of something like this?
Posted May-26-2009 by "STONEP0NY" (R)
This guy has a future in politics.
When you exhale cogar smoke through your nose without blinking, you're smoking way too much. When you have to have sex with no less than 3 people to get a rise, you're way too desensitised. When you can lie with such friendly smoothness that it sounds like you're talking to your best friends...you have lost your moral compass. Lies are worst when they are presented with the relaxed skill of a professional.
Uh, why exactly would he need to lie about this being something intended for production? Do you think he cares if someone disapproves of something like this?
Of course when one is producing a weapon which does not appear to be a weapon at first glance, the deception wouldn't be complete unless you claim successfully that the weapon doesn't even exist. If it doesn't exist, governments won't waste time banning its importation, and security personnel will not bother keeping their eyes out for it.
War is deception. --- Sun Tzu
Posted May-26-2009 by "ericredbeard" (R)
This guy has a future in politics.
When you exhale cogar smoke through your nose without blinking, you're smoking way too much. When you have to have sex with no less than 3 people to get a rise, you're way too desensitised. When you can lie with such friendly smoothness that it sounds like you're talking to your best friends...you have lost your moral compass. Lies are worst when they are presented with the relaxed skill of a professional.
Uh, why exactly would he need to lie about this being something intended for production? Do you think he cares if someone disapproves of something like this?
Of course when one is producing a weapon which does not appear to be a weapon at first glance, the deception wouldn't be complete unless you claim successfully that the weapon doesn't even exist. If it doesn't exist, governments won't waste time banning its importation, and security personnel will not bother keeping their eyes out for it.
War is deception. --- Sun Tzu
Aaaah, so the reason they demonstrate exactly how it works and wave it around on video talking about what a great weapon it is, and put the video on the internet, is because they don't want people to know that it's a weapon. Brilliant. And the reason they pretend it won't be produced, even though there is no reason to lie about it, nothing illegal about it, no restriction against it, is because... Uh...
Is it a hiding it in plain sight kind of thing? You show it to everybody and wave it in front of their face, and somehow they won't know it exists?
Posted May-26-2009 by "STONEP0NY" (R)
Then watch the libs shoot themselves while trying to unfold it. Nyuck nyuck..
Posted May-26-2009 by "ChalkOutlineGuy" (R)
This guy has a future in politics.
When you exhale cogar smoke through your nose without blinking, you're smoking way too much. When you have to have sex with no less than 3 people to get a rise, you're way too desensitised. When you can lie with such friendly smoothness that it sounds like you're talking to your best friends...you have lost your moral compass. Lies are worst when they are presented with the relaxed skill of a professional.
Uh, why exactly would he need to lie about this being something intended for production? Do you think he cares if someone disapproves of something like this?
Of course when one is producing a weapon which does not appear to be a weapon at first glance, the deception wouldn't be complete unless you claim successfully that the weapon doesn't even exist. If it doesn't exist, governments won't waste time banning its importation, and security personnel will not bother keeping their eyes out for it.
War is deception. --- Sun Tzu
Aaaah, so the reason they demonstrate exactly how it works and wave it around on video talking about what a great weapon it is, and put the video on the internet, is because they don't want people to know that it's a weapon. Brilliant. And the reason they pretend it won't be produced, even though there is no reason to lie about it, nothing illegal about it, no restriction against it, is because... Uh...
Is it a hiding it in plain sight kind of thing? You show it to everybody and wave it in front of their face, and somehow they won't know it exists?
So you believe that they spent however many dollars and manhours developing and perfecting this thing, and then they train this guy on all of its ins and outs, and then they send him with one to an expo... but they have no plans to build any?!? Now that's, Uh, brilliant indeed. Nice that there are so many people out there that believe whatever the salesman tells them.
Here's my take on the "company line":
Develop a weapons design marked by its ease of concealability and usefulness in clandestine employment. Take it to an expo and show it off to potential buyers. Claim that you have no plans to build any. Sit back and wait for buyers to approach you with orders. Tell them that the cost analysis suggested that they weren't going to sell as fast as your company would like. Let them come up with a figure that persuades you to produce an order. Assure them that you not only will keep their purchases confidential, but reassure them that you have denied its very production since day one---and that with this limited production run, they can be the only kid on the block with this concealable firearm that looks like a large cigar box. Tell every potential buyer the same thing. Fill as many orders as possible while denying to the uninformed public that you are producing anything much at all, except for those mechanical nutcrackers and conventional pistols detailed on your company brochure that keep your machinery busy for a full production schedule. <This avoids the kinds of nonsense troubles that Glock Inc. went through when their pistol became famous for being the first widely sold pistol with a polymer (plastic) frame: inaccurate rumors that it was designed to go through metal detectors at airports and other places put the pistol under scrutiny for a possible importation/posession ban before the record was finally set straight.> Rely on the majority of the public to believe what your company spokesmen, Uh, say (big tobacco, big government, the banking industry, and corporate marketing executives everywhere will tell you that this, Uh, approach works for quite a while).
It's called the Public Relations game. And it stinks. It's the same reason that alcoholic beverages and advertisements sport the "drink responsibly" banner while playing up the carefree lifestyle that goes with drinking their brew. It's the same duplicity that allows the fashion industry to play up sexuality for minors and push anorexic looks as the standard for beauty while denying that they do any such thing.
This conversation hinges around the fact that I found the demonstrator's comment that they have no plans to ever produce this item in the future---after obviously going to the trouble and expense necessary to perfect it and demonstrate it---dubious at best and probably a deliberate attempt at misinformation at worst, while you take him at his word. I dislike being lied to, you, Uh, believe what he says. Good for you. Now move along and quit trying to convince me that I'm wrong, and I'll let you make your comments without going out of my way to contradict you. We disagree, and that's all there is to it. That doesn't necessarily mean that one of us is, Uh, an idiot.
Posted May-26-2009 by "ericredbeard" (R)
This guy has a future in politics.
When you exhale cogar smoke through your nose without blinking, you're smoking way too much. When you have to have sex with no less than 3 people to get a rise, you're way too desensitised. When you can lie with such friendly smoothness that it sounds like you're talking to your best friends...you have lost your moral compass. Lies are worst when they are presented with the relaxed skill of a professional.
Uh, why exactly would he need to lie about this being something intended for production? Do you think he cares if someone disapproves of something like this?
Of course when one is producing a weapon which does not appear to be a weapon at first glance, the deception wouldn't be complete unless you claim successfully that the weapon doesn't even exist. If it doesn't exist, governments won't waste time banning its importation, and security personnel will not bother keeping their eyes out for it.
War is deception. --- Sun Tzu
Aaaah, so the reason they demonstrate exactly how it works and wave it around on video talking about what a great weapon it is, and put the video on the internet, is because they don't want people to know that it's a weapon. Brilliant. And the reason they pretend it won't be produced, even though there is no reason to lie about it, nothing illegal about it, no restriction against it, is because... Uh...
Is it a hiding it in plain sight kind of thing? You show it to everybody and wave it in front of their face, and somehow they won't know it exists?
So you believe that they spent however many dollars and manhours developing and perfecting this thing, and then they train this guy on all of its ins and outs, and then they send him with one to an expo... but they have no plans to build any?!? Now that's, Uh, brilliant indeed. Nice that there are so many people out there that believe whatever the salesman tells them.
Here's my take on the "company line":
Develop a weapons design marked by its ease of concealability and usefulness in clandestine employment. Take it to an expo and show it off to potential buyers. Claim that you have no plans to build any. Sit back and wait for buyers to approach you with orders. Tell them that the cost analysis suggested that they weren't going to sell as fast as your company would like. Let them come up with a figure that persuades you to produce an order. Assure them that you not only will keep their purchases confidential, but reassure them that you have denied its very production since day one---and that with this limited production run, they can be the only kid on the block with this concealable firearm that looks like a large cigar box. Tell every potential buyer the same thing. Fill as many orders as possible while denying to the uninformed public that you are producing anything much at all, except for those mechanical nutcrackers and conventional pistols detailed on your company brochure that keep your machinery busy for a full production schedule. <This avoids the kinds of nonsense troubles that Glock Inc. went through when their pistol became famous for being the first widely sold pistol with a polymer (plastic) frame: inaccurate rumors that it was designed to go through metal detectors at airports and other places put the pistol under scrutiny for a possible importation/posession ban before the record was finally set straight.> Rely on the majority of the public to believe what your company spokesmen, Uh, say (big tobacco, big government, the banking industry, and corporate marketing executives everywhere will tell you that this, Uh, approach works for quite a while).
It's called the Public Relations game. And it stinks. It's the same reason that alcoholic beverages and advertisements sport the "drink responsibly" banner while playing up the carefree lifestyle that goes with drinking their brew. It's the same duplicity that allows the fashion industry to play up sexuality for minors and push anorexic looks as the standard for beauty while denying that they do any such thing.
This conversation hinges around the fact that I found the demonstrator's comment that they have no plans to ever produce this item in the future---after obviously going to the trouble and expense necessary to perfect it and demonstrate it---dubious at best and probably a deliberate attempt at misinformation at worst, while you take him at his word. I dislike being lied to, you, Uh, believe what he says. Good for you. Now move along and quit trying to convince me that I'm wrong, and I'll let you make your comments without going out of my way to contradict you. We disagree, and that's all there is to it. That doesn't necessarily mean that one of us is, Uh, an idiot.
Ah, so it's a conspiracy. The guy has no reason at all to lie. But you psychically know he's lying for no reason. Amazing. They're going to produce it, to sell it, but nobody will know it's for sale. Amazing.
You should call the ATF buddy. Explain to them that somebody is lying about their plans to sell a legal product. And watch them laugh in your face and hang up on you.
Posted May-26-2009 by "STONEP0NY" (R)
This guy has a future in politics.
When you exhale cogar smoke through your nose without blinking, you're smoking way too much. When you have to have sex with no less than 3 people to get a rise, you're way too desensitised. When you can lie with such friendly smoothness that it sounds like you're talking to your best friends...you have lost your moral compass. Lies are worst when they are presented with the relaxed skill of a professional.
Uh, why exactly would he need to lie about this being something intended for production? Do you think he cares if someone disapproves of something like this?
Of course when one is producing a weapon which does not appear to be a weapon at first glance, the deception wouldn't be complete unless you claim successfully that the weapon doesn't even exist. If it doesn't exist, governments won't waste time banning its importation, and security personnel will not bother keeping their eyes out for it.
War is deception. --- Sun Tzu
Aaaah, so the reason they demonstrate exactly how it works and wave it around on video talking about what a great weapon it is, and put the video on the internet, is because they don't want people to know that it's a weapon. Brilliant. And the reason they pretend it won't be produced, even though there is no reason to lie about it, nothing illegal about it, no restriction against it, is because... Uh...
Is it a hiding it in plain sight kind of thing? You show it to everybody and wave it in front of their face, and somehow they won't know it exists?
So you believe that they spent however many dollars and manhours developing and perfecting this thing, and then they train this guy on all of its ins and outs, and then they send him with one to an expo... but they have no plans to build any?!? Now that's, Uh, brilliant indeed. Nice that there are so many people out there that believe whatever the salesman tells them.
Here's my take on the "company line":
Develop a weapons design marked by its ease of concealability and usefulness in clandestine employment. Take it to an expo and show it off to potential buyers. Claim that you have no plans to build any. Sit back and wait for buyers to approach you with orders. Tell them that the cost analysis suggested that they weren't going to sell as fast as your company would like. Let them come up with a figure that persuades you to produce an order. Assure them that you not only will keep their purchases confidential, but reassure them that you have denied its very production since day one---and that with this limited production run, they can be the only kid on the block with this concealable firearm that looks like a large cigar box. Tell every potential buyer the same thing. Fill as many orders as possible while denying to the uninformed public that you are producing anything much at all, except for those mechanical nutcrackers and conventional pistols detailed on your company brochure that keep your machinery busy for a full production schedule. <This avoids the kinds of nonsense troubles that Glock Inc. went through when their pistol became famous for being the first widely sold pistol with a polymer (plastic) frame: inaccurate rumors that it was designed to go through metal detectors at airports and other places put the pistol under scrutiny for a possible importation/posession ban before the record was finally set straight.> Rely on the majority of the public to believe what your company spokesmen, Uh, say (big tobacco, big government, the banking industry, and corporate marketing executives everywhere will tell you that this, Uh, approach works for quite a while).
It's called the Public Relations game. And it stinks. It's the same reason that alcoholic beverages and advertisements sport the "drink responsibly" banner while playing up the carefree lifestyle that goes with drinking their brew. It's the same duplicity that allows the fashion industry to play up sexuality for minors and push anorexic looks as the standard for beauty while denying that they do any such thing.
This conversation hinges around the fact that I found the demonstrator's comment that they have no plans to ever produce this item in the future---after obviously going to the trouble and expense necessary to perfect it and demonstrate it---dubious at best and probably a deliberate attempt at misinformation at worst, while you take him at his word. I dislike being lied to, you, Uh, believe what he says. Good for you. Now move along and quit trying to convince me that I'm wrong, and I'll let you make your comments without going out of my way to contradict you. We disagree, and that's all there is to it. That doesn't necessarily mean that one of us is, Uh, an idiot.
Ah, so it's a conspiracy. The guy has no reason at all to lie. But you psychically know he's lying for no reason. Amazing. They're going to produce it, to sell it, but nobody will know it's for sale. Amazing.
You should call the ATF buddy. Explain to them that somebody is lying about their plans to sell a legal product. And watch them laugh in your face and hang up on you.
You're Uh, easily amazed. I just outlined why he might make the untruthful statement. The only "conspiracy" here is the conspiracy to commit marketable sales talk, which is not a crime according to the BATF. One doesn't need psychic ability to surmise that the BS is flying.
See if you can repeat the phrase "no reason" enough times to make an argument out of it. Do you think sales people take the time to demonstrate any product that isn't going to be for sale at some point? I've sold firearms for 19 years, and "amazing" isn't the word I would use to describe that kind of waste of time. I would say, however, that anyone gullible to believe such a disclaimer would have to be amazingly naive. I love guys like you. They buy anything they are told.
Posted May-26-2009 by "ericredbeard" (R)
This guy has a future in politics.
When you exhale cogar smoke through your nose without blinking, you're smoking way too much. When you have to have sex with no less than 3 people to get a rise, you're way too desensitised. When you can lie with such friendly smoothness that it sounds like you're talking to your best friends...you have lost your moral compass. Lies are worst when they are presented with the relaxed skill of a professional.
Uh, why exactly would he need to lie about this being something intended for production? Do you think he cares if someone disapproves of something like this?
Of course when one is producing a weapon which does not appear to be a weapon at first glance, the deception wouldn't be complete unless you claim successfully that the weapon doesn't even exist. If it doesn't exist, governments won't waste time banning its importation, and security personnel will not bother keeping their eyes out for it.
War is deception. --- Sun Tzu
Aaaah, so the reason they demonstrate exactly how it works and wave it around on video talking about what a great weapon it is, and put the video on the internet, is because they don't want people to know that it's a weapon. Brilliant. And the reason they pretend it won't be produced, even though there is no reason to lie about it, nothing illegal about it, no restriction against it, is because... Uh...
Is it a hiding it in plain sight kind of thing? You show it to everybody and wave it in front of their face, and somehow they won't know it exists?
So you believe that they spent however many dollars and manhours developing and perfecting this thing, and then they train this guy on all of its ins and outs, and then they send him with one to an expo... but they have no plans to build any?!? Now that's, Uh, brilliant indeed. Nice that there are so many people out there that believe whatever the salesman tells them.
Here's my take on the "company line":
Develop a weapons design marked by its ease of concealability and usefulness in clandestine employment. Take it to an expo and show it off to potential buyers. Claim that you have no plans to build any. Sit back and wait for buyers to approach you with orders. Tell them that the cost analysis suggested that they weren't going to sell as fast as your company would like. Let them come up with a figure that persuades you to produce an order. Assure them that you not only will keep their purchases confidential, but reassure them that you have denied its very production since day one---and that with this limited production run, they can be the only kid on the block with this concealable firearm that looks like a large cigar box. Tell every potential buyer the same thing. Fill as many orders as possible while denying to the uninformed public that you are producing anything much at all, except for those mechanical nutcrackers and conventional pistols detailed on your company brochure that keep your machinery busy for a full production schedule. <This avoids the kinds of nonsense troubles that Glock Inc. went through when their pistol became famous for being the first widely sold pistol with a polymer (plastic) frame: inaccurate rumors that it was designed to go through metal detectors at airports and other places put the pistol under scrutiny for a possible importation/posession ban before the record was finally set straight.> Rely on the majority of the public to believe what your company spokesmen, Uh, say (big tobacco, big government, the banking industry, and corporate marketing executives everywhere will tell you that this, Uh, approach works for quite a while).
It's called the Public Relations game. And it stinks. It's the same reason that alcoholic beverages and advertisements sport the "drink responsibly" banner while playing up the carefree lifestyle that goes with drinking their brew. It's the same duplicity that allows the fashion industry to play up sexuality for minors and push anorexic looks as the standard for beauty while denying that they do any such thing.
This conversation hinges around the fact that I found the demonstrator's comment that they have no plans to ever produce this item in the future---after obviously going to the trouble and expense necessary to perfect it and demonstrate it---dubious at best and probably a deliberate attempt at misinformation at worst, while you take him at his word. I dislike being lied to, you, Uh, believe what he says. Good for you. Now move along and quit trying to convince me that I'm wrong, and I'll let you make your comments without going out of my way to contradict you. We disagree, and that's all there is to it. That doesn't necessarily mean that one of us is, Uh, an idiot.
Ah, so it's a conspiracy. The guy has no reason at all to lie. But you psychically know he's lying for no reason. Amazing. They're going to produce it, to sell it, but nobody will know it's for sale. Amazing.
You should call the ATF buddy. Explain to them that somebody is lying about their plans to sell a legal product. And watch them laugh in your face and hang up on you.
You're Uh, easily amazed. I just outlined why he might make the untruthful statement. The only "conspiracy" here is the conspiracy to commit marketable sales talk, which is not a crime according to the BATF. One doesn't need psychic ability to surmise that the BS is flying.
See if you can repeat the phrase "no reason" enough times to make an argument out of it. Do you think sales people take the time to demonstrate any product that isn't going to be for sale at some point? I've sold firearms for 19 years, and "amazing" isn't the word I would use to describe that kind of waste of time. I would say, however, that anyone gullible to believe such a disclaimer would have to be amazingly naive. I love guys like you. They buy anything they are told.
Yes buddy your psychic intuition is amazing to all of us non-psychic sane people.
"Do you think sales people take the time to demonstrate any product that isn't going to be for sale at some point?"
Yes. It's called proof of concept. And he has no reason to lie.
Posted May-26-2009 by "STONEP0NY" (R)
This guy has a future in politics.
When you exhale cogar smoke through your nose without blinking, you're smoking way too much. When you have to have sex with no less than 3 people to get a rise, you're way too desensitised. When you can lie with such friendly smoothness that it sounds like you're talking to your best friends...you have lost your moral compass. Lies are worst when they are presented with the relaxed skill of a professional.
Uh, why exactly would he need to lie about this being something intended for production? Do you think he cares if someone disapproves of something like this?
Of course when one is producing a weapon which does not appear to be a weapon at first glance, the deception wouldn't be complete unless you claim successfully that the weapon doesn't even exist. If it doesn't exist, governments won't waste time banning its importation, and security personnel will not bother keeping their eyes out for it.
War is deception. --- Sun Tzu
Aaaah, so the reason they demonstrate exactly how it works and wave it around on video talking about what a great weapon it is, and put the video on the internet, is because they don't want people to know that it's a weapon. Brilliant. And the reason they pretend it won't be produced, even though there is no reason to lie about it, nothing illegal about it, no restriction against it, is because... Uh...
Is it a hiding it in plain sight kind of thing? You show it to everybody and wave it in front of their face, and somehow they won't know it exists?
So you believe that they spent however many dollars and manhours developing and perfecting this thing, and then they train this guy on all of its ins and outs, and then they send him with one to an expo... but they have no plans to build any?!? Now that's, Uh, brilliant indeed. Nice that there are so many people out there that believe whatever the salesman tells them.
Here's my take on the "company line":
Develop a weapons design marked by its ease of concealability and usefulness in clandestine employment. Take it to an expo and show it off to potential buyers. Claim that you have no plans to build any. Sit back and wait for buyers to approach you with orders. Tell them that the cost analysis suggested that they weren't going to sell as fast as your company would like. Let them come up with a figure that persuades you to produce an order. Assure them that you not only will keep their purchases confidential, but reassure them that you have denied its very production since day one---and that with this limited production run, they can be the only kid on the block with this concealable firearm that looks like a large cigar box. Tell every potential buyer the same thing. Fill as many orders as possible while denying to the uninformed public that you are producing anything much at all, except for those mechanical nutcrackers and conventional pistols detailed on your company brochure that keep your machinery busy for a full production schedule. <This avoids the kinds of nonsense troubles that Glock Inc. went through when their pistol became famous for being the first widely sold pistol with a polymer (plastic) frame: inaccurate rumors that it was designed to go through metal detectors at airports and other places put the pistol under scrutiny for a possible importation/posession ban before the record was finally set straight.> Rely on the majority of the public to believe what your company spokesmen, Uh, say (big tobacco, big government, the banking industry, and corporate marketing executives everywhere will tell you that this, Uh, approach works for quite a while).
It's called the Public Relations game. And it stinks. It's the same reason that alcoholic beverages and advertisements sport the "drink responsibly" banner while playing up the carefree lifestyle that goes with drinking their brew. It's the same duplicity that allows the fashion industry to play up sexuality for minors and push anorexic looks as the standard for beauty while denying that they do any such thing.
This conversation hinges around the fact that I found the demonstrator's comment that they have no plans to ever produce this item in the future---after obviously going to the trouble and expense necessary to perfect it and demonstrate it---dubious at best and probably a deliberate attempt at misinformation at worst, while you take him at his word. I dislike being lied to, you, Uh, believe what he says. Good for you. Now move along and quit trying to convince me that I'm wrong, and I'll let you make your comments without going out of my way to contradict you. We disagree, and that's all there is to it. That doesn't necessarily mean that one of us is, Uh, an idiot.
Ah, so it's a conspiracy. The guy has no reason at all to lie. But you psychically know he's lying for no reason. Amazing. They're going to produce it, to sell it, but nobody will know it's for sale. Amazing.
You should call the ATF buddy. Explain to them that somebody is lying about their plans to sell a legal product. And watch them laugh in your face and hang up on you.
You're Uh, easily amazed. I just outlined why he might make the untruthful statement. The only "conspiracy" here is the conspiracy to commit marketable sales talk, which is not a crime according to the BATF. One doesn't need psychic ability to surmise that the BS is flying.
See if you can repeat the phrase "no reason" enough times to make an argument out of it. Do you think sales people take the time to demonstrate any product that isn't going to be for sale at some point? I've sold firearms for 19 years, and "amazing" isn't the word I would use to describe that kind of waste of time. I would say, however, that anyone gullible to believe such a disclaimer would have to be amazingly naive. I love guys like you. They buy anything they are told.
Yes buddy your psychic intuition is amazing to all of us non-psychic sane people.
"Do you think sales people take the time to demonstrate any product that isn't going to be for sale at some point?"
Yes. It's called proof of concept. And he has no reason to lie.
He lied.
Posted May-26-2009 by "ericredbeard" (R)
This guy has a future in politics.
When you exhale cogar smoke through your nose without blinking, you're smoking way too much. When you have to have sex with no less than 3 people to get a rise, you're way too desensitised. When you can lie with such friendly smoothness that it sounds like you're talking to your best friends...you have lost your moral compass. Lies are worst when they are presented with the relaxed skill of a professional.
Uh, why exactly would he need to lie about this being something intended for production? Do you think he cares if someone disapproves of something like this?
Of course when one is producing a weapon which does not appear to be a weapon at first glance, the deception wouldn't be complete unless you claim successfully that the weapon doesn't even exist. If it doesn't exist, governments won't waste time banning its importation, and security personnel will not bother keeping their eyes out for it.
War is deception. --- Sun Tzu
Aaaah, so the reason they demonstrate exactly how it works and wave it around on video talking about what a great weapon it is, and put the video on the internet, is because they don't want people to know that it's a weapon. Brilliant. And the reason they pretend it won't be produced, even though there is no reason to lie about it, nothing illegal about it, no restriction against it, is because... Uh...
Is it a hiding it in plain sight kind of thing? You show it to everybody and wave it in front of their face, and somehow they won't know it exists?
So you believe that they spent however many dollars and manhours developing and perfecting this thing, and then they train this guy on all of its ins and outs, and then they send him with one to an expo... but they have no plans to build any?!? Now that's, Uh, brilliant indeed. Nice that there are so many people out there that believe whatever the salesman tells them.
Here's my take on the "company line":
Develop a weapons design marked by its ease of concealability and usefulness in clandestine employment. Take it to an expo and show it off to potential buyers. Claim that you have no plans to build any. Sit back and wait for buyers to approach you with orders. Tell them that the cost analysis suggested that they weren't going to sell as fast as your company would like. Let them come up with a figure that persuades you to produce an order. Assure them that you not only will keep their purchases confidential, but reassure them that you have denied its very production since day one---and that with this limited production run, they can be the only kid on the block with this concealable firearm that looks like a large cigar box. Tell every potential buyer the same thing. Fill as many orders as possible while denying to the uninformed public that you are producing anything much at all, except for those mechanical nutcrackers and conventional pistols detailed on your company brochure that keep your machinery busy for a full production schedule. <This avoids the kinds of nonsense troubles that Glock Inc. went through when their pistol became famous for being the first widely sold pistol with a polymer (plastic) frame: inaccurate rumors that it was designed to go through metal detectors at airports and other places put the pistol under scrutiny for a possible importation/posession ban before the record was finally set straight.> Rely on the majority of the public to believe what your company spokesmen, Uh, say (big tobacco, big government, the banking industry, and corporate marketing executives everywhere will tell you that this, Uh, approach works for quite a while).
It's called the Public Relations game. And it stinks. It's the same reason that alcoholic beverages and advertisements sport the "drink responsibly" banner while playing up the carefree lifestyle that goes with drinking their brew. It's the same duplicity that allows the fashion industry to play up sexuality for minors and push anorexic looks as the standard for beauty while denying that they do any such thing.
This conversation hinges around the fact that I found the demonstrator's comment that they have no plans to ever produce this item in the future---after obviously going to the trouble and expense necessary to perfect it and demonstrate it---dubious at best and probably a deliberate attempt at misinformation at worst, while you take him at his word. I dislike being lied to, you, Uh, believe what he says. Good for you. Now move along and quit trying to convince me that I'm wrong, and I'll let you make your comments without going out of my way to contradict you. We disagree, and that's all there is to it. That doesn't necessarily mean that one of us is, Uh, an idiot.
Ah, so it's a conspiracy. The guy has no reason at all to lie. But you psychically know he's lying for no reason. Amazing. They're going to produce it, to sell it, but nobody will know it's for sale. Amazing.
You should call the ATF buddy. Explain to them that somebody is lying about their plans to sell a legal product. And watch them laugh in your face and hang up on you.
You're Uh, easily amazed. I just outlined why he might make the untruthful statement. The only "conspiracy" here is the conspiracy to commit marketable sales talk, which is not a crime according to the BATF. One doesn't need psychic ability to surmise that the BS is flying.
See if you can repeat the phrase "no reason" enough times to make an argument out of it. Do you think sales people take the time to demonstrate any product that isn't going to be for sale at some point? I've sold firearms for 19 years, and "amazing" isn't the word I would use to describe that kind of waste of time. I would say, however, that anyone gullible to believe such a disclaimer would have to be amazingly naive. I love guys like you. They buy anything they are told.
Yes buddy your psychic intuition is amazing to all of us non-psychic sane people.
"Do you think sales people take the time to demonstrate any product that isn't going to be for sale at some point?"
Yes. It's called proof of concept. And he has no reason to lie.
He lied.
Guess I'll just have to take your word for that since I don't pretend to be psychic.
Posted May-26-2009 by "STONEP0NY" (R)
This guy has a future in politics.
When you exhale cogar smoke through your nose without blinking, you're smoking way too much. When you have to have sex with no less than 3 people to get a rise, you're way too desensitised. When you can lie with such friendly smoothness that it sounds like you're talking to your best friends...you have lost your moral compass. Lies are worst when they are presented with the relaxed skill of a professional.
Uh, why exactly would he need to lie about this being something intended for production? Do you think he cares if someone disapproves of something like this?
Of course when one is producing a weapon which does not appear to be a weapon at first glance, the deception wouldn't be complete unless you claim successfully that the weapon doesn't even exist. If it doesn't exist, governments won't waste time banning its importation, and security personnel will not bother keeping their eyes out for it.
War is deception. --- Sun Tzu
Aaaah, so the reason they demonstrate exactly how it works and wave it around on video talking about what a great weapon it is, and put the video on the internet, is because they don't want people to know that it's a weapon. Brilliant. And the reason they pretend it won't be produced, even though there is no reason to lie about it, nothing illegal about it, no restriction against it, is because... Uh...
Is it a hiding it in plain sight kind of thing? You show it to everybody and wave it in front of their face, and somehow they won't know it exists?
So you believe that they spent however many dollars and manhours developing and perfecting this thing, and then they train this guy on all of its ins and outs, and then they send him with one to an expo... but they have no plans to build any?!? Now that's, Uh, brilliant indeed. Nice that there are so many people out there that believe whatever the salesman tells them.
Here's my take on the "company line":
Develop a weapons design marked by its ease of concealability and usefulness in clandestine employment. Take it to an expo and show it off to potential buyers. Claim that you have no plans to build any. Sit back and wait for buyers to approach you with orders. Tell them that the cost analysis suggested that they weren't going to sell as fast as your company would like. Let them come up with a figure that persuades you to produce an order. Assure them that you not only will keep their purchases confidential, but reassure them that you have denied its very production since day one---and that with this limited production run, they can be the only kid on the block with this concealable firearm that looks like a large cigar box. Tell every potential buyer the same thing. Fill as many orders as possible while denying to the uninformed public that you are producing anything much at all, except for those mechanical nutcrackers and conventional pistols detailed on your company brochure that keep your machinery busy for a full production schedule. <This avoids the kinds of nonsense troubles that Glock Inc. went through when their pistol became famous for being the first widely sold pistol with a polymer (plastic) frame: inaccurate rumors that it was designed to go through metal detectors at airports and other places put the pistol under scrutiny for a possible importation/posession ban before the record was finally set straight.> Rely on the majority of the public to believe what your company spokesmen, Uh, say (big tobacco, big government, the banking industry, and corporate marketing executives everywhere will tell you that this, Uh, approach works for quite a while).
It's called the Public Relations game. And it stinks. It's the same reason that alcoholic beverages and advertisements sport the "drink responsibly" banner while playing up the carefree lifestyle that goes with drinking their brew. It's the same duplicity that allows the fashion industry to play up sexuality for minors and push anorexic looks as the standard for beauty while denying that they do any such thing.
This conversation hinges around the fact that I found the demonstrator's comment that they have no plans to ever produce this item in the future---after obviously going to the trouble and expense necessary to perfect it and demonstrate it---dubious at best and probably a deliberate attempt at misinformation at worst, while you take him at his word. I dislike being lied to, you, Uh, believe what he says. Good for you. Now move along and quit trying to convince me that I'm wrong, and I'll let you make your comments without going out of my way to contradict you. We disagree, and that's all there is to it. That doesn't necessarily mean that one of us is, Uh, an idiot.
Ah, so it's a conspiracy. The guy has no reason at all to lie. But you psychically know he's lying for no reason. Amazing. They're going to produce it, to sell it, but nobody will know it's for sale. Amazing.
You should call the ATF buddy. Explain to them that somebody is lying about their plans to sell a legal product. And watch them laugh in your face and hang up on you.
You're Uh, easily amazed. I just outlined why he might make the untruthful statement. The only "conspiracy" here is the conspiracy to commit marketable sales talk, which is not a crime according to the BATF. One doesn't need psychic ability to surmise that the BS is flying.
See if you can repeat the phrase "no reason" enough times to make an argument out of it. Do you think sales people take the time to demonstrate any product that isn't going to be for sale at some point? I've sold firearms for 19 years, and "amazing" isn't the word I would use to describe that kind of waste of time. I would say, however, that anyone gullible to believe such a disclaimer would have to be amazingly naive. I love guys like you. They buy anything they are told.
Yes buddy your psychic intuition is amazing to all of us non-psychic sane people.
"Do you think sales people take the time to demonstrate any product that isn't going to be for sale at some point?"
Yes. It's called proof of concept. And he has no reason to lie.
What do you call a person who insists on labeling someone who airs his opinion "insane", who tries to discredit his self-designated opponent with the moniker "psychic", and who repeats the same "no reason" phrase as an argument repeatedly, beyond all usefulness? I'd say that you were more interested in namecalling than having a productive discussion. Why not just skip everything else and go right to the "your mother ..." insults? What a useless boor and a troll.
Posted May-26-2009 by "ericredbeard" (R)
This guy has a future in politics.
When you exhale cogar smoke through your nose without blinking, you're smoking way too much. When you have to have sex with no less than 3 people to get a rise, you're way too desensitised. When you can lie with such friendly smoothness that it sounds like you're talking to your best friends...you have lost your moral compass. Lies are worst when they are presented with the relaxed skill of a professional.
Uh, why exactly would he need to lie about this being something intended for production? Do you think he cares if someone disapproves of something like this?
Of course when one is producing a weapon which does not appear to be a weapon at first glance, the deception wouldn't be complete unless you claim successfully that the weapon doesn't even exist. If it doesn't exist, governments won't waste time banning its importation, and security personnel will not bother keeping their eyes out for it.
War is deception. --- Sun Tzu
Aaaah, so the reason they demonstrate exactly how it works and wave it around on video talking about what a great weapon it is, and put the video on the internet, is because they don't want people to know that it's a weapon. Brilliant. And the reason they pretend it won't be produced, even though there is no reason to lie about it, nothing illegal about it, no restriction against it, is because... Uh...
Is it a hiding it in plain sight kind of thing? You show it to everybody and wave it in front of their face, and somehow they won't know it exists?
So you believe that they spent however many dollars and manhours developing and perfecting this thing, and then they train this guy on all of its ins and outs, and then they send him with one to an expo... but they have no plans to build any?!? Now that's, Uh, brilliant indeed. Nice that there are so many people out there that believe whatever the salesman tells them.
Here's my take on the "company line":
Develop a weapons design marked by its ease of concealability and usefulness in clandestine employment. Take it to an expo and show it off to potential buyers. Claim that you have no plans to build any. Sit back and wait for buyers to approach you with orders. Tell them that the cost analysis suggested that they weren't going to sell as fast as your company would like. Let them come up with a figure that persuades you to produce an order. Assure them that you not only will keep their purchases confidential, but reassure them that you have denied its very production since day one---and that with this limited production run, they can be the only kid on the block with this concealable firearm that looks like a large cigar box. Tell every potential buyer the same thing. Fill as many orders as possible while denying to the uninformed public that you are producing anything much at all, except for those mechanical nutcrackers and conventional pistols detailed on your company brochure that keep your machinery busy for a full production schedule. <This avoids the kinds of nonsense troubles that Glock Inc. went through when their pistol became famous for being the first widely sold pistol with a polymer (plastic) frame: inaccurate rumors that it was designed to go through metal detectors at airports and other places put the pistol under scrutiny for a possible importation/posession ban before the record was finally set straight.> Rely on the majority of the public to believe what your company spokesmen, Uh, say (big tobacco, big government, the banking industry, and corporate marketing executives everywhere will tell you that this, Uh, approach works for quite a while).
It's called the Public Relations game. And it stinks. It's the same reason that alcoholic beverages and advertisements sport the "drink responsibly" banner while playing up the carefree lifestyle that goes with drinking their brew. It's the same duplicity that allows the fashion industry to play up sexuality for minors and push anorexic looks as the standard for beauty while denying that they do any such thing.
This conversation hinges around the fact that I found the demonstrator's comment that they have no plans to ever produce this item in the future---after obviously going to the trouble and expense necessary to perfect it and demonstrate it---dubious at best and probably a deliberate attempt at misinformation at worst, while you take him at his word. I dislike being lied to, you, Uh, believe what he says. Good for you. Now move along and quit trying to convince me that I'm wrong, and I'll let you make your comments without going out of my way to contradict you. We disagree, and that's all there is to it. That doesn't necessarily mean that one of us is, Uh, an idiot.
Ah, so it's a conspiracy. The guy has no reason at all to lie. But you psychically know he's lying for no reason. Amazing. They're going to produce it, to sell it, but nobody will know it's for sale. Amazing.
You should call the ATF buddy. Explain to them that somebody is lying about their plans to sell a legal product. And watch them laugh in your face and hang up on you.
You're Uh, easily amazed. I just outlined why he might make the untruthful statement. The only "conspiracy" here is the conspiracy to commit marketable sales talk, which is not a crime according to the BATF. One doesn't need psychic ability to surmise that the BS is flying.
See if you can repeat the phrase "no reason" enough times to make an argument out of it. Do you think sales people take the time to demonstrate any product that isn't going to be for sale at some point? I've sold firearms for 19 years, and "amazing" isn't the word I would use to describe that kind of waste of time. I would say, however, that anyone gullible to believe such a disclaimer would have to be amazingly naive. I love guys like you. They buy anything they are told.
Yes buddy your psychic intuition is amazing to all of us non-psychic sane people.
"Do you think sales people take the time to demonstrate any product that isn't going to be for sale at some point?"
Yes. It's called proof of concept. And he has no reason to lie.
What do you call a person who insists on labeling someone who airs his opinion "insane", who tries to discredit his self-designated opponent with the moniker "psychic", and who repeats the same "no reason" phrase as an argument repeatedly, beyond all usefulness? I'd say that you were more interested in namecalling than having a productive discussion. Why not just skip everything else and go right to the "your mother ..." insults? What a useless boor and a troll.
If your arguments weren't based on empty psychic intuition, I would not bring it up. Stop pretending to be Ms.Cleo, and I'll stop calling you on your nonsense.
He has no reason to lie. All of your nonsense changes nothing.
Posted May-26-2009 by "STONEP0NY" (R)