Raphael Ahren – Haaretz October 9, 2009
Israeli news Web sites in English contribute in part to the waning love between American Jews and Israel, a prominent U.S. historian asserted this week, adding that Anglos in Israel can help counter the trend. Since the advent of the Internet and exposure to more critical coverage of Israel, the once-utopian view of Israel Americans held has eroded, according to Jonathan Sarna, who teaches American Jewish history at Brandeis University and is currently on sabbatical in Jerusalem.
In an article appearing in today's Forward and released this week on the paper's Web site and on Haaretz.com, Sarna quotes sociologist Steven M. Cohen, who recently warned of "a growing distancing from Israel of American Jews." Sarna, 54, argues that while this trend is worrisome, another sociologist, Ted Sasson, believes American-Jewish love for Israel is not vanishing but transforming.
"Sasson maintains that what we have today is not as much tension between American Jewry and Israel, but American Jews reflecting some of the same opposition [to Israeli policies] that you find in Israel. Indeed, many of them are reading Israeli Web sites and are influenced by them," Sarna told Anglo File Tuesday in his Jerusalem apartment. He referred specifically to Haaretz.com, which he says often publishes articles critical of Israeli policies.
"The Internet has made it possible for multiple voices to be heard," Sarna said. He says that in the days when their sole source of news was the local Jewish paper, the "Jews of America spoke with one voice, mainly [belonging to] the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish organizations - which basically followed the Israeli government's line." Aware today of the full range of views expressed in Israel, he says American Jews no longer buy into the notion that "in Israel we're critical but out of Israel we're supportive."
Until recently, American Jews grew up with a utopian notion of Israel, Sarna says. "Everybody [in Israel] was happy, people were building a new state, people were in some ways more equal and egalitarian," he recalled of his own education. "Israel was going to be that Little America in the Middle East, a country that shared the same values, a true commonwealth. Israel was like America, only better."
Yet over time, American Jews discovered their idealized perception of Israel was at odds with reality, seeing, for example, the lack of a true separation of church and state and the plight of minorities. "Gradually the utopian vision that had so exited the community was transformed into a more realistic Israel," Sarna said.
Sarna, whom the Forward in 2004 named one of America's fifty most influential Jews, said the key to repairing the relationship between Jews in America and Israel lies in education. "Once upon a time Jews felt responsible for and related to one another. This feeling of "Klal Yisrael" [Jewish unity] has greatly declined. That a Jew in America should feel the pain of a Jew in Israel who is taken prisoner - is strange to some American Jews. There is a lot of evidence that roughly half of American Jews don't quite feel the same sense of connectedness to all Jews that once they did."
If the concept of "Klal Yisrael" were more emphasized in American Jewish schools, Sarna said, it would be much easier to communicate the idea that Israeli and American Jews are brothers and therefore it is beneficial to support the one another. Israel's Anglos have a special role in this endeavor, Sarna added.
He believes that Anglos who oppose Israeli policies can "help their relatives and friends in America to understand why they still love Israel, why they remain in Israel, why they still serve in the army, notwithstanding their dissent. After all, Americans Jews often dissent from the policy of their government and still love America."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1119848.html
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Fuck Zionism....Hey hows it going snade long time no see akhi
Posted Oct-14-2009 By350rocket (165.92) 350rocket Send Message
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Fuck the Israeli government and fuck the IDF. This goyim ain't falling for it. No sympathy here.
Posted Oct-14-2009 Byp3ps1c0la (71.82) 
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In 10 years my guess is the web will be a different thing. Right now it is wide open, and i intend to enjoy that while it lasts. But by 2019 probably no idiot behind a keyboard named beinrich bimmler will be able to post anonymously whatever mad ravings he feels like typing, if able to post at all.
Posted Oct-14-2009 ByBeinrich_Bimmler (557.10) Beinrich_Bimmler View Channel Send Message
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Dont give them any ideas.
Posted Oct-14-2009 Bysagrie8 (216.34) 
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I feel for the American Jews who in their hearts understand the inconsistency between Zionism, the Jewish religion, and loyalty to America. It is really the human condition in which we all have to reconcile our beliefs with reality.
One thing that I always found interesting is how Americans identify with their foreign heritage and how different the actual culture is from their illusions. For example, many American Irish have little actual connection to people who grew up in Ireland. I also More..
Posted Oct-14-2009 Byoneof6billion (65.90) oneof6billion View Channel Send Message
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Well, on the flip side...I lived with a Jewish guy in Vegas for two years who was devout to his faith (though like most people of religion would pick and choose what he wanted to believe in) and his loyalty to Israel was far stronger than to the U.S.
He was an American citizen but he would have sold this country out in a heartbeat to defend The Holy Land.
Posted Oct-14-2009 ByEXCONservative (418.22) 
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Jews in America are slavishly loyal to the democratic party so they will support/hate whoever the party tells them to.
Any political opinion held by an American Jew has to be filtered through their requirement to love democrats/hate republicans.
The internet has been around awhile, it's not changing any jewish minds.
But as the Democratic Party sees its future increasingly tied in with the anti-semitism that permeates the rest of the socialist world American Jews will eventually have some tou More..
Posted Oct-14-2009 BySomaliPirate (39.00) 
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Your profile says it all
"Half Jewish (Cleveland), Half Hillbilly (West Virginia)."
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"That said, this article is just a typical example of the self-delusion palestinians have to feed themselves on since they can't get a good meal of logic or success."
And that just topped it off.. Yes.. okay, we'll bomb you, we'll kill your parents, your children, your FAMILY. We'll cut off the electricity, we'll cut off any necessary things the palestinians need, then we'll blame the More..
Posted Oct-14-2009 Bysnade (742.82) snade Send Message
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Really? Ever heard of Mr. Sheldon Adelson? My old boss in Vegas (was the 7th richest American a few years back before the economic crash) had all his Republican buddies stay at his Hotel for fundraising events...$15,000 dollar dinner plates.
You know nothing of Jewish relations in this country. They're affiliation with the Republican Party has never been stronger.
Posted Oct-14-2009 ByEXCONservative (418.22) 
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You are deeply insane or deluded.
Jews have never been close to Republicans.
They have always been too close to Democrats/socialists.
75 percent of jews consistently vote democrat.
At least that much of their political contributions go to democrats.
Your one example of one jewish republican does not prove anything.
I've met plenty of jewish republicans, that doesn't mean an absurd majority of them don't vote democrat.
I've even met blacks who didn't vote for Obama.
What does that prove?
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Posted Oct-14-2009 BySomaliPirate (39.00) 
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Go ahead and familiarize yourself with this man. He has more sway in the G.O.P than you can could possibly imagine.
He could call Bush, Cheney, Palin or any other Republican at any time of the day as he has all their numbers personally.
He give more to Israel and the G.O.P than any other Jewish American alive..
You my friend are truly ignorant of politics and or how contributions effect ploicies in this country.
Once again...I worked for this man while I was in Vegas and became VERY infor More..
Posted Oct-14-2009 ByEXCONservative (418.22) 
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I guess you never heard of Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, Bolton, Krauthamer, Libby, Wurmser, Abrams,... ad nausium.
Posted Oct-14-2009 Byoneof6billion (65.90) oneof6billion View Channel Send Message
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