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Poll: Were the 4-year sentences for inciting riots on Facebook appropriate?
 Part of channel(s): London Tottenham Riots 2011 (current event)

Two men in the U.K. have each been sentenced to four years in jail for using Facebook to "organize and orchestrate" disorder.

Jordan Blackshaw, left, and Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan were each sentenced to four years. (Cheshire police)Jordan Blackshaw, 20, created a Facebook event called "massive Northwich lootin'," which included a date, time and location.

Perry Sutcliffe-Keenan, 22, made a page on Facebook called "Warrington Riots," also listing a date and time for people who wanted to get involved in the riot.

However, as The Guardian newspaper reported Wednesday, no looting or rioting resulted from either Facebook post.

"It was something which was started as a joke by Jordan," said Blackshaw's solicitor, Chris Johnson, in a BBC interview.

Defence lawyers and civil rights group say the sentences were not appropriate for these crimes.

"There seems to be a complete lack of proportionality to some of the sentences. These make a mockery of proportionality, which is a key principle of the justice system," Andrew Neilson, of the Howard League for Penal Reform, told the Times.

Neilson said the harsh sentences will likely be appealed, which will further bog down the court system.

British Prime Minister David Cameron defended the tough sentences. "They decided in that court ... to send a tough message and I think it's very good that courts are able to do that," he said.

Do you think the punishment fits the crime in this case? Why or why not? Let us know in the comments below.

 
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Added: Aug-17-2011 Occurred On: Aug-17-2011
By: nurdmyth
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  • Its a shame that Islamic extremists aren't given similar terms when they call for Jihad on British soil, and for the deaths of British soldiers

    If that isn't incitement to violence than what is?

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    • @ElegantDecline That's because most of them do it from overseas on their own dodgy websites. Those who are stupid enough to do it over here are probably already on Mr Bond's watch list.

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    • @nurdmyth I've always been on board...
      I just don't like stating the patently obvious

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  • If they had printed and distributed leaflets would you say the sentence was too harsh ?

    BTW the maximum penalty for inciting riots is 10 years and don't forget they both pleaded guilty to it.

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  • In the old days in England they would call up a regiment of Redcoats, publicly read the applicable law (Literally "reading the riot act") and start blazing away if people didn't go home.

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  • I haven't read any comments on here and am basing this post on the almost-20% of those who think the sentences are inappropriate.

    The 4 years that these morons have been given is the very least they should heve received. Inciting any act of violence is unforgivable. Period.

    Quite possibly they didn't actually take part in the riots, but they gave no thought to the consequences that inciting a riot brings. They didn't for one second give any thought to those innocent families that are now home More..

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    • @js474 What about all the muslims inciting murder, racial hatred and suicide bombings publicly?? Why should these two get four years when not so long ago a crowd of muslims holding banners saying "behead british soldier" "kill all those who dont follow islam" and even a few men dressed as suicide bombers!! if they get away with that why do these guys get a sentence?

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    • @__dave__

      I could not agree more, yet the courts are not consistent

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    • @__dave__

      i agree,as skerne said..our courts are selective on who they prosecute...still should send these fuckers away for a long time..useless cunts is what they are.

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    • @__dave__well said mate not a truer word spoken

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  • 'massive Northwich Lootin'...Lol

    I think the intent is pretty clear here

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  • Regarding:
    "The Guardian newspaper reported Wednesday, no looting or rioting resulted from either Facebook post."

    It doesn't matter. It could have. Just because a hitman doesn't carry out a hit doesn't relieve the perpetrator of attempted murder, even if the perpetrator says "Golly, it was just a joke."

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  • Awesome!

    4 years is light for what the scum did. 4 years will let others know that this is serious business and not a game.

    It's also refreshing that this has not dragged on for months. They're caught, convicted and sentenced within a week or two of their crime.

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  • 8-10 years is what is deserved stupid fucks

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  • These guys get 4 years for "inciting" looting and rioting but muslim cunts get fuck all for publicly inciting racial hatred and carrying signs saying "behead british soldiers" yeah somethings not right here!!!

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  • Fuck yea it's appropriate, there lucky bullets didn't start flying. You loot my shit I shoot you in the face...

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  • Looking at the highly intelligent look on their faces, i would say 4 years in prison isn't bad.

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  • I don't think four years was a stiff enough penalty.
    Inciting riots is beyond pretty serious shit.
    Coordinating and helping direct riots for the sole purpose of vanadlism and looting is beyond fucked up, especially when innocent people are being beaten and robbed.

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    • @michael567 agreed.and business owners getting their shops robbed and burned.being a business owner myself,that made me really angry.it will raise the insurance premiums for all business owners to cover all the claims that will go in.

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  • If i tried to incite someone to committ a murder on facebook, then they did not carry it out, does that make it okay? NOPE

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    • @skerne No it doesn't, to you. And probably most others, but you also have free speech to tell them how you feel about them saying such a thing. Aslong as they don't go and commit the crime, who gives a crap!? Everyone disagrees with what they say anyway, we'll be burning witches again next.

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    • @z42o
      Free speech is within the law, unfortunately your interpretation is just what these rioting scum would like:- the ability to do as they like all the time and scream 'free speech' when pulled up on it.

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    • @skerne THEY CAN DO AS THEY LIKE... why is this being taken out of context completely?
      1. They wrote something down (without consequence at that!)
      2. They get 4 years in prison.

      For writing something down.
      I know exactly where your coming from but that again, is a whole other problem. Nothing to do with two guys writing something down and being put into prison for it.

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    • @z42o
      This has nothing to do with freedom of speech; it has more to do with stupidity. I would say pick your time and place to be a dick, they just banked on their 10,000 pretend friends on facebook not narking on them, fail

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  • Not enough options in this poll. I picked YES, only because there was not an option for not enough time for the crime.

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  • Yes. I have zero sympathy for these cunts.

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  • Those aren't "men," they're chavs ("wiggers" to us yanks.)

    They deserve to be caned.

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  • Yes.

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  • If they could tack on 12 months supervised community service,cleaning the streets upon release,that would take them down a notch.

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  • Promoting terrorism in my mind. So what if nothing happened.

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  • 4 years wasn't enough. LIFE IN PRISON. That's what you can get for arson.
    They are directly responsible for many fires, violence, people getting hurt, millions in property damage, etc....


    They had no political motivation, just wanted chaos.

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  • Negro wannabees. Appropriate sentence would be to use a 50 cal round. Two kills 1 round.

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  • they only got time because they were WHITE....LOL...the black criminals are walking around free, laughing at the british peasants.

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  • organizing crimes via open socialnetwork platform like Facebook is totally dense, they deserve 4 years in prison for that no question.

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  • whether it caused trouble or not is not the point..its incitement...fuck em.

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  • "Were the 4-year sentences for inciting riots on Facebook appropriate?"

    yes, because next time a kid wants to burn a car in the street he will be thinking about 4 years in prison.

    boohoo

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