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There have been a few on LL that have question me

If you are going to have a discussion "A debate if you will" please keep your opinions out of it. And if you are going to call me out on something I posted , well I am inclined to back up what I post.

This is why I believe union's are bad for this country: "took this from the Washington Times"


1) Unions are severely damaging whole industries: How is it that GM and Chrysler got into such lousy shape that they had to be bailed out? There's a simple answer: The unions. The massive pensions the car companies paid out raised their costs so much that they were limited to building more expensive cars to try to get their money back. They couldn't even do a great job of building those cars because utterly ridiculous union rules prevented them from using their labor efficiently. America created the automobile industry, but American unions are strangling it to death. Unions also wrecked the steel and textile industries and have helped drive manufacturing jobs overseas. They're crippling the airline industry and, of course, we can't forget that...

2) Unions are ruining public education: Every few years, it's the same old story. The teachers’ unions claim that public education in this country is dramatically underfunded and if they just had more money, they could turn it around. Taxpayer money then pours into our schools like a waterfall and....there's no improvement. A few years later, when people have forgotten the last spending spree on education, the process is repeated.

However, the real problem with our education system in this country is the teachers’ unions. They do everything possible to prevent schools not only from firing lousy teachers, but also from rewarding talented teachers. Merit pay? The unions hate it. Private schools? Even though everyone knows they deliver a better education than our public schools, unions fight to keep as many kids as possible locked in failing public schools. In Wisconsin, we've had whole schools shutting down so that lazy teachers can waste their time protesting on the taxpayers’ dime. Want to improve education in this country? Then you've got to take on the teachers’ unions.

3) Unions are costing you billions of tax dollars: Let's put it plain and simple: Government workers shouldn't be allowed to unionize. Period.

Why?

Because you elect representatives to look out for your interests.

It's obviously in your interest to pay as little as possible to government workers, to keep their benefits as low as possible, and to hire as few of them as possible to do the job. However, because the Democratic Party and the unions are in bed with each other, this entire process has been turned on its ear. Instead of looking out for your interests, Democrats try to hire as many government workers as possible, pay them as much as possible, and give them benefits that are as generous as possible, all so that union workers will do more to get them re-elected.

In other words, the Democratic Party and the unions are engaged in an open conspiracy to defraud the American taxpayer. There's no way that the American people should allow that to continue.

4) Unions are fundamentally anti-democratic : How in the world did we get to the point where people can be forced to join a union just to get a job at certain places? Then, after they're dragooned into the union, they have no choice other than to pay dues that are used for political activities which the unwilling dues-paying member may oppose.

Add to that the fact that the Democrats and the government unions collaborate to subvert democracy at the expense of the taxpayer and it's not a pretty picture. Worse yet, unions have gotten so voracious that they even want to do away with the secret ballot, via card check, so they can openly bully people into joining unions. The way unions behave in this country is undemocratic, un-American, and it should trouble anyone who cares about freedom and individual rights.

5) Government unions are bankrupting cities and states: Government unions have bled billions from taxpayers nationally, but the damage they're doing on the local level is even worse. We have cities and states all across the country that are so behind on their bills that there have been genuine discussions about bankruptcy. There are a lot of irresponsible financial policies that have helped contribute to that sorry state-of-affairs, but unquestionably, the biggest backbreakers can be directly traced back to the unions.

So, what happens when these pensions can't be paid? They will come to the taxpayers with their hands out. When they stroll forward with their beggar's bowl in hand, the American people should keep their wallets in their pockets. That may not seem fair, but the public sector union members have gotten a great deal at everyone else's expense for a long time and if somebody has to take a haircut, and they do, it should be the union members instead of the taxpayers they've been bilking for so long.


Added: Jun-7-2012 Occurred On: Jun-7-2012
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  • Unions and Islamists adopting similar tactics.

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  • Unions are scum

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  • In debates or discussions people normally say what they think, which would be an opinion. If you post something you must be willing to take a bit of heat for people who might not agree with you and in turn you must be willing to back up your post. So is it you want to give your own opinions and posts unchallenged? By the way I agree with your post 100%, in every country where there are unions all they do is add an extra expence to the people for a service they are supposed to provide but either More..

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    • @mock You are right SIPTU are in the government's pocket. Every leader of Siptu serve on government appointed boards and get a kick upstairs to a well paid government quango on retirement. They should be ashamed of themselves.

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  • Unions are scum sucking bottom feeder parasites.

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  • Can't argue with facts or logic, unless of course you are a union shill, then neither aply to you.

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  • Spot on

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  • Unions are fucking evil. The transit system here went on strike for the 3rd time in 5 years asking for a pay raise, more benefits and a 'better schedule'.... Our bus drivers get paid more than any others in the country with an average salary of 60,000$. My co-worker that was working part time with me during the strike made 22,000$ in overtime last year. FUCK GOING TO COLLEGE IM BECOMING A BUS DRIVER!!! Unions take advantage, because they can..

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  • You sir, are a true american, God Bless you!

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  • Well for your information your little rant on #3 is false in some respects. Government workers unionized or not at the federal level are not paid as wellas you would think compared to their inductry counterparts. The so called benefits you speak of is a glorified 401k program call Thrift Savings Plan (TSP) which just allows you to invest pretax dollars in... wait for it... Government Bonds. We all know how valuable those things are these days. The only Golden Fleece retirement program out the More..

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    • @dexterMD BULLSHIT.

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    • @dexterMD - "Government workers unionized or not at the federal level" I have a HUGE PROBLEM with that statement.

      Here you go , ready???

      It is called the AFGE American Federation of Government Employees. 110,000 blue and white collar government workers in nearly 40 separate departments and agencies across the United States. The National Federation of Federal Employees (NFFE) is an American labor union which represents about 100,000 public employees in the federal government. The ke More..

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    • @aussite - I think when there is a Zombie Apocalypse, they will be the first to be infected. They are missing something in their gene pool.

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    • @dexterMD Try looking at the American Fed Govt Employee and them come back. That is a union of unions.

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  • The only thing I will debate here is your use of quotation marks.

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  • Where do they get these losers?

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  • Unions are good for "protecting" workers from potentially venomous management..back in the industrial revolution. Good management will never have unions underneath them because they understand what good labor relations are and entail. In America unions serve a few purposes. Firstly they help keep the unqualified employed. I am a member of a union (to bolster numbers for contract negotiations) and the two highest paid employees in our union are the two biggest idiots at work. Not only t More..

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    • @TheEvilDead WELL SAID! I BELONG TO A UNION ALSO AND SEE UNQUALIFIED, INCOMPETANT, OVERPAID WASTE ON A DAILY BASIS. UNIONS WERE FORMED TO PROTECT THE WORKERS FROM BIG BUISNESS. NOW THEY ARE OUT OF CONTROL WITH TOO MUCH POWER. WHO PROTECTS THE WORKERS FROM THE UNION?

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    • @TheEvilDead dead on spot !

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  • Nationwide thuggery proudly wears the union label. Workers in Wisconsin have been leaving the public employee unions by the thousands since Walker reined in the unions.

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  • Unions are out of control.have been ever since the communists got a foothold in the leadership.Idiots.Union states where you cannot work unless you pay a fee to unions.Sucks doesnt it.They should not ever be allowed in the public sector.Only have a use in private sector,and there they should be monitored and regulated.

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  • OK, here is my rebuttal on the above;

    1) Unions are severely damaging whole industries - Yep, you are right on that one.

    2) Unions are ruining public education - Is it them of just public education itself run by the government? But again, I will agree with you

    3) Unions are costing you billions of tax dollars - AGAIN, you got it right.

    Maybe I'll get you on the next two . .

    4) Unions are fundamentally anti-democratic - DAMN IT - Will you stop agreeing with me here?

    OK, One more - More..

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    • @TigTx - Damn I like your rebuttal , I must disagree on one item though. Wait I cannot you really have left me speechless. As for as the duel…. Hum let me ponder that for a moment “or two” you seem like a admirable opponent , that would pose a challenge for me "as well as you of course".

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    • @cajunmojo I have no quarrel with you, good Sir Knight. But I must cross this bridge.
      King Arthur - Quest for Holly Grail

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  • Unions are a favorite of all fascists left wing cultures throughout history..the Nazi party LOVED state unions.

    If you need a fucking union to hold a job...you're a fucking loser and should die of starvation because you are too fucking stupid and worthless to breed.

    Darwin should be allowed to reign.

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    • @VikingRapeSquad - Well stated and to the point , no holds barred.

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    • @VikingRapeSquad

      Darwin is reigning.

      Businesses are in business to make money, not lose it. Look at all of the jobs running across the boarders and away from here.

      Fuck even my Special K cereal and Hershey candy bars are made in Mexico now.

      At least they aren’t made in China, yet.

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    • @Kmanbay
      Was that guy serious? Almost every building he walks into is probably union made. Every Hollywood movie is union made. NFL. TV shows, writers etc. He should to move to China and make 63 cents an hour and feel good about that.

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  • Most corporations in Europe are members of a Union. Federated Union of Employers comes to mind in Ireland. Workers and civil servants are, in the main, members of worker unions.

    Some achievements of Services Industrial Professional and Technical Union (SIPTU) in Ireland :-

    The Union organises, negotiates for and campaigns with workers and citizens who suffer various forms of discrimination and disadvantage, workers who are on low pay and low incomes, who are poor, marginalised or socially exc More..

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    • @LickyLicky - Nice retort but not falling for it. Unions are killing Europe and are breaking America with there un-realistic wages and pensions.

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    • @cajunmojo

      No, dipshit, unions are not 'killing Europe'.

      Go ahead and make your case. I'll happily shoot it down.

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    • @cajunmojo
      But it is CLEARLY OK for a lawyer to take an obese cut in a lawsuit settlement. We agree that's good. Politicians give themselves a 50% increase in pension contributions at midnight. it must be fine with you. A doctor to charge $40,000.00 for a surgery that can be done for $10,000.00 and still make money.

      But a union worker trying to make a decent middle class living just to support his family is outrageous!!!!!!!

      What do you do for a living? Push a pencil? Wait on people? Cook fr More..

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    • @Rhemis - Really , so low but I am not surprised at your response . It is so typical liberetard , here is a some fact that may help you judge me better.

      I do not have a job , I own a company that employees people. I help between 20-30 people start their own business each year. I know for a fact I pay more in taxes you make: Corporate taxes , quarterly taxes, payroll taxes , sales tax , property taxes on a Corporation a LLC as well as a LP.

      I can prove everything I claim , can you?????

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  • Unions Like all thing can be good for some bad for others . Just saying , depends on what where , and when , like all things , you cant have it both ways

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    • @Zardoz003 That was many, many years ago. Now laws have been set in place to enforce that. The unions serve no valuable purpose any longer. We live in the NOW not the 1920's.

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    • @Zardoz003 I have see no democracy in the unions I was in and worked alongside around the US while working in the film/entertainment industry. Union leaders taking - TAKING monies for their own agenda. Putting union leaders kids on the books the day they are born and when 18, assume a leadership position with NO seniority/experience through the ranks. Unions keeping the totally incompetent people in place while those with top notch skills sit on the bench. Rules and regulations that are so More..

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    • @Zardoz003 Quite articulate there. My exposure to the unions (mostly all related to the TV, Motion Picture and entertainment industry were all the types I described of sucking the life out of the industry. Limited on the others aside from a best friend in Ct who is in the pipe fitters or steam pipe union and is doing quite well and has his own shop. Hard working people will always succeed in my opinion and should be rewarded. If a company fails to do that, they loose a quality "salesman More..

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  • ..."If you are going to have a discussion "A debate if you will" please keep your opinions out of it."....

    LOL......now THAT is funny. You can have a debate as long as you keep your opinions out of it?

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  • Each and every of your 5 points can be disproved easily; your thinking is so ass about face it's irretrievable.

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    • @PocoBueno - Start with point one, then proceed to point two. But first educate yourself on American unions before spewing rhetoric

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    • @cajunmojo

      I don't need to; I couldn't do a better job of destroying your credibility than you have already. Have a good one.

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    • @aussite

      I don't talk to insane rats my friend, I kick them in the head.

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