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Who are the one's not listening to the military officers now? Wait, it doesn't fit your agenda, so he must be Bush bribed scum. Even other Dems are toning down their Iraq rhetoric because Bush's plan seems to be actually working and they fought tooth-and-nail against it while offering no cohesive alternative.
Biden, meanwhile, would rather chastise Petraeus because he's not anti-Bush enough; sad.
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WASHINGTON - President Bush's war strategy is failing and the top military commander in Iraq is "dead flat wrong" for warning against major changes, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said Sunday.

Ahead of two days of crucial testimony by Bush's leading military and political advisers on Iraq, Sen. Joseph Biden indicated that he and other Democrats would persist in efforts to set target dates for bringing troops home.

"The reality is that, although there has been some mild progress on the security front, there is, in fact, no real security in Baghdad or Anbar province, where I was dealing with the most serious problem, sectarian violence," said Biden, a 2008 presidential candidate who recently returned from Iraq.

Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker were scheduled to testify before four congressional committees, including Biden's, on Monday and Tuesday. Lawmakers will hear how the commander and the diplomat assess progress in Iraq and offer recommendations about the course of war strategy.

Officials familiar with their thinking told The Associated Press over the weekend that the advisers would urge Congress not to make significant changes. Their report will note that while national political progress has been disappointing, security gains in local areas have shown promise, according to the officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were discussing internal deliberations.

Petraeus and Crocker will say the buildup of 30,000 troops, which bring the current U.S. total to nearly 170,000, is working better than any previous effort to quell the insurgency and restore stability. The officials also disputed suggestions that Petraeus and Crocker would recommend anything more than a symbolic reduction in troop levels and then only in the spring.

The testimony sets the stage for an announcement by Bush later in the week about how he will proceed in the face of widespread public unhappiness and growing congressional discomfort with the war.

Biden, signaling that tough questioning awaits the pair from majority Democrats and moderate Republicans, said Petraeus' assessment missed the point. Biden, D-Del., said focusing on a political solution, such as by creating more local control, was the only way to foster national reconciliation among warring factions.
"I really respect him, and I think he's dead flat wrong," Biden said.

Biden contended that Bush's main strategy was to buy time and extend the troop presence in Iraq long enough to push the burden onto the next president, who takes office in January 2009, to fix the sectarian strife.

"This president has no plan how to win and/or how to leave," Biden said.

Stressing that a political solution was the key, he said, "I will insist on a firm beginning to withdraw the troops and I will insist on a target date to get American combat forces out," except for those necessary to protect U.S. civilians and fight al-Qaida.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., agreed. "The problem is, if you don't have a deadline and you don't require something of the Iraqis, they're simply going to use our presence as cover for their willingness to delay, which is what they have done month after month after month," he said.

"I think the general will present the facts with respect to the statistics and the tactical successes or situations as he sees them," Kerry said. "But none of us should be fooled not the American people, not you in the media, not us in Congress we should not be fooled into this tactical success debate."

Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he respects the judgment of Petraeus but will not blindly follow his assessment.

"We're going to look behind the generalizations that General Petraeus or anybody gives us and probe the very hard facts to see exactly what the situation is," Specter said. "As I've said in the past, unless we see some light at the end of the tunnel here, very closely examining what General Petraeus and others have to say, I think there's a general sense that there needs to be a new policy."

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said it would be foolish for Congress to try and second-guess commanders on the ground.

In the end, Graham said, the U.S. cannot afford to withdraw prematurely if it is military unwise and risks plunging the region into more chaos.
"If the general tells me down the road we can withdraw troops because of military success, we should all celebrate it," Graham said. "But if politicians in Washington pick an arbitrary date, an arbitrary number to withdraw, it's not going to push Baghdad politicians.

"It's going to re-energize an enemy that's on the mat," he said.

Biden spoke on NBC's "Meet the Press," Kerry appeared on ABC's "This Week," Graham was on "Fox News Sunday" and Specter was on "Late Edition" on CNN.

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  • Look at the comments from Sen. Arlen Specter and then look at the comments from the Dems in the article, Now you tell me, which party is playing politics here?

    Success in not final, failure is not fatal but for god sakes don't lose a war because of political games. Common Dems, don't muck up this war like you did Vietnam.

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  • tagemandbagem: "
    sixxxshooter: "
    tagemandbagem: "So if the democrats win the 2008 presidental election I expect all of you to leave the U.S. otherwise you're living in a country of "traitors"."
    I am not leaving, I love this country, no matter what President is in office. Thats the main difference between a republican and democrat. You should know this, your probably an American pretending to be from Afghanistan.

    Republicans are nationalist and proud members of th More..
    Then you'll be living in a country with a majority of "traitors". The Iraq war is a disaster and as per usual the democrats will be elected to be the fall guys."
    Yeah a 100 to 1 kill ratio is a disaster.Thats right we kill 100 lunatic jihadists for every brave soldier or marine lost.What you call a "disaster" is in fact the most successful war in human history.Blaming the US for muslims inability to get along is rediculous.

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  • your smoking crack my friend, It's obvious your
    going to believe what you want to believe. The
    Lancet poll is not the most reliable, not even
    close.

    The results of the study were politically
    sensitive, since a heavy death toll could raise
    questions regarding the humanitarian justifications on the eve of a contested US presidential election. Critics objected to the timing of the report, claiming it was hastily prepared and published despite what they perceived as its poor quality in orde More..

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  • sixxxshooter: "
    tagemandbagem: "The President is easily manipulated by Cheney and Rumsfeld when he was still in office and it was Cheney and Rumsfeld controlling and planning things not the Generals.
    Ireland armed forces are already deployed in peace keeping missions. Iraq needs Muslim troops from Pakistan or India to perform peace keeping duties but they will only appear under a UN mandate which Bush refuses to allow."
    We need real peace keeping force, something bigger then what More..
    Well we were talking about U.S. vs European media before and you just showed why the U.S. media is so crap: Saddam never kicked out the Weapons inspectors. Not once. Each time they were withdrawn by the UN because of impending airstrikes. The U.S. media just ran with the governments line of "Saddam kicking them out".
    It's been the Pentagons policy ever since the end of the Second World War to prevent the emergence of a rival military power. That's why NATO still exists despite it's reason for being, the USSR, no longer existing. NATO is there to prevent Europe from taking on a greater military role.
    As for Africa look at Somalia in the 90s as an example. The U.S. needed the UN to pull them out of a bad situation they created by not involving the UN in any of their missions and going it alone gung ho. The UN already has numerous peace keeping missions in Africa without relying on U.S. help. If you actually look at the recent history the U.S. and the former USSR are the one's who armed and created a lot of the conflicts in Africa today as part of their Cold War.

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  • The communist democrats have always been traitors and they will remain so. They are the enemies of America and deserve to be hanged or put in froont of firing squads.

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  • tagemandbagem: "
    sixxxshooter: "
    tagemandbagem: "So if the democrats win the 2008 presidental election I expect all of you to leave the U.S. otherwise you're living in a country of "traitors"."
    I am not leaving, I love this country, no matter what President is in office. Thats the main difference between a republican and democrat. You should know this, your probably an American pretending to be from Afghanistan.

    Republicans are nationalist and proud members of th More..
    Then you'll be living in a country with a majority of "traitors". The Iraq war is a disaster and as per usual the democrats will be elected to be the fall guys."
    Says the American Democrat

    And the majority of the country is loyal, my mom is Democrat and I love her. Funny thing is you know the truth if you read the article, noticing you haven't referenced it once makes me presume you see the paradox of the Democrats stance.

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  • "First off only about 70,000 civilians have died,
    600,000 is just a LIE"
    =
    "Critics of the Lancet study have pointed out other difficulties in obtaining accurate statistics in a war zone."

    IBC only counts deaths reported in the Western Media which has from slim to none access to Iraq. The Lancet study is not perfect but it is infinitely more accurate than IBC.

    btw copy and pasting from Wikipedia is pretty ironic since that website is about as credible as Western Media repor More..

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  • Europe? Since when has Iraq been European? Iran?
    And if it wasn't for America then much of Europe
    and Japan would have not of rebounded so quickly
    after WW2.

    WATCH THIS VIDEO
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ_okAgAUGE

    I don't think any Americans have any problems with
    European countries taking a stronger military role
    in the world, I THINK WE WANT YOU TO HELP OUT A
    LITTLE MORE! A weak military is something
    Europeans want for your own countries.

    Actually Africa was a mess beca More..

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  • The_Artist_FKA_The_Rocker: "The communist democrats have always been traitors and they will remain so. They are the enemies of America and deserve to be hanged or put in froont of firing squads."
    I don't know if the Dems are smart enough to be Traitors, they don't comprehend the influence they have on the radical Islamics fighting all non-Muslims and what is worse is they believe terrorist propaganda, it's like they live in some world that doesn't exist.

    The Dems haven't put a goo More..

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  • BuckMeHoff: "
    tagemandbagem: "
    sixxxshooter: "
    tagemandbagem: "So if the democrats win the 2008 presidental election I expect all of you to leave the U.S. otherwise you're living in a country of "traitors"."
    I am not leaving, I love this country, no matter what President is in office. Thats the main difference between a republican and democrat. You should know this, your probably an American pretending to be from Afghanistan.

    Republicans are nationalist and p More..
    Then you'll be living in a country with a majority of "traitors". The Iraq war is a disaster and as per usual the democrats will be elected to be the fall guys."
    Yeah a 100 to 1 kill ratio is a disaster.Thats right we kill 100 lunatic jihadists for every brave soldier or marine lost.What you call a "disaster" is in fact the most successful war in human history.Blaming the US for muslims inability to get along is rediculous."
    Fucking well said, I will take -.04 for that baby!

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  • So what makes your European media more reliable
    then ours or the Iraqis? The reason why so many
    Europeans hate Americans is because your media is
    biased against the United States, I watch the BBC,
    I know. Also, the author of this report is a
    self-admitted liberal so I find it peculiar you
    think it's accurate. Also, I can't help it if the
    best free encyclopedia on the internet is an
    American based non-profit organization; Germany
    should put up one to compete. Also, in what
    country did y More..

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  • I don't know what you mean about Iraq not being in Europe. I was referring to the difference between the U.S. media and European media's coverage of Iraq. (Just an example when Tony Blair was being interviewd and said "Saddam kicked out the weapons inspectors" the interviewer wouldn't let him away with it)
    I think that video is full of holes lots of things jump out immediately. He says none of the countries is paying back their interest when only last year the UK finished paying back t More..

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  • I thought the democrats would lead us out of Iraq upon their congressional majority?

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  • I'm not a Democrat, I'm not even American. Personally I believe the Democrats are more beholden to corporate interests than the Republicans but they're both liars and serve only their own interests.
    As for this nonsense about the Iraq war not being a disaster due to body count ratio. How many enemy did the Germans kill in the second world war in ratio to their deaths and they still lost.
    Wars are won on objectives not bodycounts.

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  • sixxxshooter: "So what makes your European media more reliable
    then ours or the Iraqis? The reason why so many
    Europeans hate Americans is because your media is
    biased against the United States, I watch the BBC,
    I know. Also, the author of this report is a
    self-admitted liberal so I find it peculiar you
    think it's accurate. Also, I can't help it if the
    best free encyclopedia on the internet is an
    American based non-profit organization; Germany
    should put up one to compete. Also, in what
    country did you get your education?
    "
    W More..

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  • the United States needs defense since hating us has become so popular since the USSR went under (The world has only one super power now and that leaves only us to hate). Nobody is trying to attack Russia so I can't see why they would care if we put up a missle defense program up in Europe. If Mexico lets Russia put up a missle defense system in their country then fine, but much of North America depends on the United States so I doubt they would want to piss us off.

    I am totally against a &qu More..

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  • surefireX200: "I thought the democrats would lead us out of Iraq upon their congressional majority? "
    well the report from the Generals on the ground are making it hard for them to lie to their pot head constituents. That is why they are doing anticipatory clean up work. Who knows more, the General in Charge or Biden?

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  • surefireX200: "I thought the democrats would lead us out of Iraq upon their congressional majority? "
    Democraps couldnt lead themselves out of the bathroom if you left a toilet paper trail for them.

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  • "I know. Also, the author of this report is a
    self-admitted liberal so I find it peculiar you
    think it's accurate."
    What I find peculiar is this ignorance and vehemance towards the word liberal.

    Liberal

    %u2022 adjective 1 willing to respect and accept behaviour or opinions different from one%u2019s own. 2 (of a society, law, etc.) favourable to individual rights and freedoms. 3 (in a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate reform. 4 (Liberal) (in t More..

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  • you're absolutely correct sixxxshooter. I kind of liked JFK, he certainly stood up too Castro. And that is about all I can remember of him except my Dad called him a playboy.hehehe..Anyway, it's really something, the way Biden, Kerry, and Specter head up the field in putting a spin on Petraeus" report which I have noticed isn't even presented yet...I hate all this second guessing and assuming....

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  • sixxxshooter: "
    BuckMeHoff: "
    tagemandbagem: "
    sixxxshooter: "
    tagemandbagem: "So if the democrats win the 2008 presidental election I expect all of you to leave the U.S. otherwise you're living in a country of "traitors"."
    I am not leaving, I love this country, no matter what President is in office. Thats the main difference between a republican and democrat. You should know this, your probably an American pretending to be from Afghanistan.

    Republicans a More..
    Then you'll be living in a country with a majority of "traitors". The Iraq war is a disaster and as per usual the democrats will be elected to be the fall guys."
    Yeah a 100 to 1 kill ratio is a disaster.Thats right we kill 100 lunatic jihadists for every brave soldier or marine lost.What you call a "disaster" is in fact the most successful war in human history.Blaming the US for muslims inability to get along is rediculous."
    Fucking well said, I will take -.04 for that baby!

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    Cheers!It pisses me off when people spout off about shit they know nothing about.Calling the Iraq war a "disaster" is fucking factually wrong.More Americans were lost on Dday by 12:00 than were lost in Iraq in 5 yrs.More people we're murdered on the streets of LA and Houston in 2006 than were lost in combat for the same year,wheres the leftist outrage about this fact?2 liberally controlled cities.These two facts prove Iraq is anything but a "disaster".Phony PC liberal policy is a "disaster".Thats why you cannot tell the difference between a bin Laden speech and a Pelosi or Reid speech.

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  • So where did you get your education?

    And of coarse you like PBS, another liberal media
    station, publicly funded or not, most people don't
    agree with their politics on the channel and their
    host of their political shows are again, self
    admitted liberals.

    You have proven nothing.

    Americans go out of our way to report corruption,
    we put that on our front pages of our newspapers.
    Reporter's jobs are to keep the public well
    informed and most the media in this country is
    liberal, be More..

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  • It does go to show that they are willing to base ANY decision they feel on their immediate hatred of the current administration.

    If I were a CO on the ground over there I WOULDN'T BE FORGETING THIS ANY TIME SOON!

    They just told me that they NEVER HAD FAITH IN OUR ABILITY!

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  • Germany lost nearly 8 million people in WW2

    And are you also counting the civilians who died
    in Holocaust camps? Anyways, comparing WW2 and
    Iraq is impractical. Wars can be won by ratio's,
    if your not fighting a politically correct war.
    Plus you talk of objectives, the main objective of
    war is...

    "Now I want you to remember that no bastard
    ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it
    by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his
    country."

    - George S. Patton
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  • canadapiper: "
    tagemandbagem: "
    BuckMeHoff: "
    tagemandbagem: "I'm not comparing the Second World War to Iraq I'm showing that kill:ratio's are not a measurement of success...in any war of the last 100 years.
    The U.S. objective in Iraq was to remove Saddam and put in place a peaceful and democratic Iraqi government which would work in U.S. interests. They eventually removed Saddam but what they put in his place can in no way be described as a peaceful or democratic alternative. It is a DISASTER."
    T More..
    The U.S. DESTABLISED Iraq and it has never been RESTABLISED. Over 600,000 Iraqi civilians are dead and counting directly because of the invasion. The U.S. brought Al Qaeda and a civil war to Iraq where there were neither before.
    Thinking a kill ratio supercedes failing primary objectives is naive."
    The USA destablized Iraq!!!Good god man..they interupted Sadam from slaughtering 1000's more Shia..who the hell begged the USA to come back and save their asses from Sadam? your memory must be failing! He was personaly writing cheques to the families of the fools that blew themselves up and killed as many Jews as possible...or did you forget..or the big ass gun he had developed to fire huge shells into Israel... He gasses Kerds, Iranians and slughtered the Shia by the truck loads... And if that werent bad enough his kid was gona take over from him...and that hairpin would have killed every one!
    "
    How many people did Saddam slaughter in 2000? 2001? 2002? 2003?
    He was contained and a threat to no one. Dredging up the past is not a good argument in light of U.S. and other Western countries support and dealings with Saddams regime.
    Saddam sent money to the family of suicide bombers because Israel bulldozes their homes as a form of "collective punishment" meanwhile Saudi Arabia DIRECTLY funds Palestinian paramilitary groups yet the U.S. didn't bomb and invade Saudi Arabia.

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