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Who are the one's not listening to the military officers now? Wait, it doesn't fit your agenda, so he must be Bush bribed scum. Even other Dems are toning down their Iraq rhetoric because Bush's plan seems to be actually working and they fought tooth-and-nail against it while offering no cohesive alternative.
Biden, meanwhile, would rather chastise Petraeus because he's not anti-Bush enough; sad.
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WASHINGTON - President Bush's war strategy is failing and the top military commander in Iraq is "dead flat wrong" for warning against major changes, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said Sunday.

Ahead of two days of crucial testimony by Bush's leading military and political advisers on Iraq, Sen. Joseph Biden indicated that he and other Democrats would persist in efforts to set target dates for bringing troops home.

"The reality is that, although there has been some mild progress on the security front, there is, in fact, no real security in Baghdad or Anbar province, where I was dealing with the most serious problem, sectarian violence," said Biden, a 2008 presidential candidate who recently returned from Iraq.

Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker were scheduled to testify before four congressional committees, including Biden's, on Monday and Tuesday. Lawmakers will hear how the commander and the diplomat assess progress in Iraq and offer recommendations about the course of war strategy.

Officials familiar with their thinking told The Associated Press over the weekend that the advisers would urge Congress not to make significant changes. Their report will note that while national political progress has been disappointing, security gains in local areas have shown promise, according to the officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were discussing internal deliberations.

Petraeus and Crocker will say the buildup of 30,000 troops, which bring the current U.S. total to nearly 170,000, is working better than any previous effort to quell the insurgency and restore stability. The officials also disputed suggestions that Petraeus and Crocker would recommend anything more than a symbolic reduction in troop levels and then only in the spring.

The testimony sets the stage for an announcement by Bush later in the week about how he will proceed in the face of widespread public unhappiness and growing congressional discomfort with the war.

Biden, signaling that tough questioning awaits the pair from majority Democrats and moderate Republicans, said Petraeus' assessment missed the point. Biden, D-Del., said focusing on a political solution, such as by creating more local control, was the only way to foster national reconciliation among warring factions.
"I really respect him, and I think he's dead flat wrong," Biden said.

Biden contended that Bush's main strategy was to buy time and extend the troop presence in Iraq long enough to push the burden onto the next president, who takes office in January 2009, to fix the sectarian strife.

"This president has no plan how to win and/or how to leave," Biden said.

Stressing that a political solution was the key, he said, "I will insist on a firm beginning to withdraw the troops and I will insist on a target date to get American combat forces out," except for those necessary to protect U.S. civilians and fight al-Qaida.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., agreed. "The problem is, if you don't have a deadline and you don't require something of the Iraqis, they're simply going to use our presence as cover for their willingness to delay, which is what they have done month after month after month," he said.

"I think the general will present the facts with respect to the statistics and the tactical successes or situations as he sees them," Kerry said. "But none of us should be fooled not the American people, not you in the media, not us in Congress we should not be fooled into this tactical success debate."

Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he respects the judgment of Petraeus but will not blindly follow his assessment.

"We're going to look behind the generalizations that General Petraeus or anybody gives us and probe the very hard facts to see exactly what the situation is," Specter said. "As I've said in the past, unless we see some light at the end of the tunnel here, very closely examining what General Petraeus and others have to say, I think there's a general sense that there needs to be a new policy."

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said it would be foolish for Congress to try and second-guess commanders on the ground.

In the end, Graham said, the U.S. cannot afford to withdraw prematurely if it is military unwise and risks plunging the region into more chaos.
"If the general tells me down the road we can withdraw troops because of military success, we should all celebrate it," Graham said. "But if politicians in Washington pick an arbitrary date, an arbitrary number to withdraw, it's not going to push Baghdad politicians.

"It's going to re-energize an enemy that's on the mat," he said.

Biden spoke on NBC's "Meet the Press," Kerry appeared on ABC's "This Week," Graham was on "Fox News Sunday" and Specter was on "Late Edition" on CNN.

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  • Look at the comments from Sen. Arlen Specter and then look at the comments from the Dems in the article, Now you tell me, which party is playing politics here?

    Success in not final, failure is not fatal but for god sakes don't lose a war because of political games. Common Dems, don't muck up this war like you did Vietnam.

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  • Its simply,Al Qaeda and the democrats have the same goal and thats the defeat of the US military in Iraq.

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  • IBC relies heavily on WESTERN MEDIA for it numbers and the Western Media can't even get outside the green zone without a military escort. Their calculations are not "facts".
    The Lancet poll is the most reliable indication of civilian deaths:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

    If you seriously believe only 70,000 civilians have died from the invasion to present you just haven't been paying attention.

    Secondly, the terrorists weren't op More..

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  • tagemandbagem: "
    sixxxshooter: "Not all generals agree with their Presidents and some generals who were against Bush are friends of Clinton, or at least that is what I have heard in the media. Again, what do you think about politicians running a war? The majority of the people, as seen in the most recent polls done by the NYT and CBS show the American people want the generals to run the war, not the democrats or republicans. Now if the generals dont agree with the war then they arent the right people to run our current war and it is the Presidents right to pick his generals. "
    I More..
    well, would of, should of, could of...

    The point is still that Presidents get the final say, thats how it is. Plus, from what the general reported yesterday, the war in Iraq is at least getting better. the Iraqi people should not be left alone to fight the terrorists themselves. Maybe if the Irish people sent in a peace keeping force we could fix all the problems :)

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  • The communist democrats have always been traitors and they will remain so. They are the enemies of America and deserve to be hanged or put in froont of firing squads.

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  • sixxxshooter: "
    tagemandbagem: "So if the democrats win the 2008 presidental election I expect all of you to leave the U.S. otherwise you're living in a country of "traitors"."
    I am not leaving, I love this country, no matter what President is in office. Thats the main difference between a republican and democrat. You should know this, your probably an American pretending to be from Afghanistan.

    Republicans are nationalist and proud members of this country. American More..
    Then you'll be living in a country with a majority of "traitors". The Iraq war is a disaster and as per usual the democrats will be elected to be the fall guys.

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  • tagemandbagem: "So if the democrats win the 2008 presidental election I expect all of you to leave the U.S. otherwise you're living in a country of "traitors"."
    I'll leave as soon as all those Hollyweird celebs that promised to leave actually go.

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  • The President is easily manipulated by Cheney and Rumsfeld when he was still in office and it was Cheney and Rumsfeld controlling and planning things not the Generals.
    Ireland armed forces are already deployed in peace keeping missions. Iraq needs Muslim troops from Pakistan or India to perform peace keeping duties but they will only appear under a UN mandate which Bush refuses to allow.

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  • The_Artist_FKA_The_Rocker: "The communist democrats have always been traitors and they will remain so. They are the enemies of America and deserve to be hanged or put in froont of firing squads."
    I don't know if the Dems are smart enough to be Traitors, they don't comprehend the influence they have on the radical Islamics fighting all non-Muslims and what is worse is they believe terrorist propaganda, it's like they live in some world that doesn't exist.

    The Dems haven't put a goo More..

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  • tagemandbagem: "
    sixxxshooter: "
    tagemandbagem: "So if the democrats win the 2008 presidental election I expect all of you to leave the U.S. otherwise you're living in a country of "traitors"."
    I am not leaving, I love this country, no matter what President is in office. Thats the main difference between a republican and democrat. You should know this, your probably an American pretending to be from Afghanistan.

    Republicans are nationalist and proud members of th More..
    Then you'll be living in a country with a majority of "traitors". The Iraq war is a disaster and as per usual the democrats will be elected to be the fall guys."
    Yeah a 100 to 1 kill ratio is a disaster.Thats right we kill 100 lunatic jihadists for every brave soldier or marine lost.What you call a "disaster" is in fact the most successful war in human history.Blaming the US for muslims inability to get along is rediculous.

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  • your smoking crack my friend, It's obvious your
    going to believe what you want to believe. The
    Lancet poll is not the most reliable, not even
    close.

    The results of the study were politically
    sensitive, since a heavy death toll could raise
    questions regarding the humanitarian justifications on the eve of a contested US presidential election. Critics objected to the timing of the report, claiming it was hastily prepared and published despite what they perceived as its poor quality in orde More..

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  • tagemandbagem: "The President is easily manipulated by Cheney and Rumsfeld when he was still in office and it was Cheney and Rumsfeld controlling and planning things not the Generals.
    Ireland armed forces are already deployed in peace keeping missions. Iraq needs Muslim troops from Pakistan or India to perform peace keeping duties but they will only appear under a UN mandate which Bush refuses to allow."
    We need real peace keeping force, something bigger then what we have there curre More..

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  • I thought the democrats would lead us out of Iraq upon their congressional majority?

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  • tagemandbagem: "
    sixxxshooter: "
    tagemandbagem: "So if the democrats win the 2008 presidental election I expect all of you to leave the U.S. otherwise you're living in a country of "traitors"."
    I am not leaving, I love this country, no matter what President is in office. Thats the main difference between a republican and democrat. You should know this, your probably an American pretending to be from Afghanistan.

    Republicans are nationalist and proud members of th More..
    Then you'll be living in a country with a majority of "traitors". The Iraq war is a disaster and as per usual the democrats will be elected to be the fall guys."
    Says the American Democrat

    And the majority of the country is loyal, my mom is Democrat and I love her. Funny thing is you know the truth if you read the article, noticing you haven't referenced it once makes me presume you see the paradox of the Democrats stance.

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  • "First off only about 70,000 civilians have died,
    600,000 is just a LIE"
    =
    "Critics of the Lancet study have pointed out other difficulties in obtaining accurate statistics in a war zone."

    IBC only counts deaths reported in the Western Media which has from slim to none access to Iraq. The Lancet study is not perfect but it is infinitely more accurate than IBC.

    btw copy and pasting from Wikipedia is pretty ironic since that website is about as credible as Western Media repor More..

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  • sixxxshooter: "
    tagemandbagem: "The President is easily manipulated by Cheney and Rumsfeld when he was still in office and it was Cheney and Rumsfeld controlling and planning things not the Generals.
    Ireland armed forces are already deployed in peace keeping missions. Iraq needs Muslim troops from Pakistan or India to perform peace keeping duties but they will only appear under a UN mandate which Bush refuses to allow."
    We need real peace keeping force, something bigger then what More..
    Well we were talking about U.S. vs European media before and you just showed why the U.S. media is so crap: Saddam never kicked out the Weapons inspectors. Not once. Each time they were withdrawn by the UN because of impending airstrikes. The U.S. media just ran with the governments line of "Saddam kicking them out".
    It's been the Pentagons policy ever since the end of the Second World War to prevent the emergence of a rival military power. That's why NATO still exists despite it's reason for being, the USSR, no longer existing. NATO is there to prevent Europe from taking on a greater military role.
    As for Africa look at Somalia in the 90s as an example. The U.S. needed the UN to pull them out of a bad situation they created by not involving the UN in any of their missions and going it alone gung ho. The UN already has numerous peace keeping missions in Africa without relying on U.S. help. If you actually look at the recent history the U.S. and the former USSR are the one's who armed and created a lot of the conflicts in Africa today as part of their Cold War.

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  • surefireX200: "I thought the democrats would lead us out of Iraq upon their congressional majority? "
    well the report from the Generals on the ground are making it hard for them to lie to their pot head constituents. That is why they are doing anticipatory clean up work. Who knows more, the General in Charge or Biden?

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  • BuckMeHoff: "
    tagemandbagem: "
    sixxxshooter: "
    tagemandbagem: "So if the democrats win the 2008 presidental election I expect all of you to leave the U.S. otherwise you're living in a country of "traitors"."
    I am not leaving, I love this country, no matter what President is in office. Thats the main difference between a republican and democrat. You should know this, your probably an American pretending to be from Afghanistan.

    Republicans are nationalist and p More..
    Then you'll be living in a country with a majority of "traitors". The Iraq war is a disaster and as per usual the democrats will be elected to be the fall guys."
    Yeah a 100 to 1 kill ratio is a disaster.Thats right we kill 100 lunatic jihadists for every brave soldier or marine lost.What you call a "disaster" is in fact the most successful war in human history.Blaming the US for muslims inability to get along is rediculous."
    Fucking well said, I will take -.04 for that baby!

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  • So what makes your European media more reliable
    then ours or the Iraqis? The reason why so many
    Europeans hate Americans is because your media is
    biased against the United States, I watch the BBC,
    I know. Also, the author of this report is a
    self-admitted liberal so I find it peculiar you
    think it's accurate. Also, I can't help it if the
    best free encyclopedia on the internet is an
    American based non-profit organization; Germany
    should put up one to compete. Also, in what
    country did y More..

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  • Europe? Since when has Iraq been European? Iran?
    And if it wasn't for America then much of Europe
    and Japan would have not of rebounded so quickly
    after WW2.

    WATCH THIS VIDEO
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ_okAgAUGE

    I don't think any Americans have any problems with
    European countries taking a stronger military role
    in the world, I THINK WE WANT YOU TO HELP OUT A
    LITTLE MORE! A weak military is something
    Europeans want for your own countries.

    Actually Africa was a mess beca More..

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  • you're absolutely correct sixxxshooter. I kind of liked JFK, he certainly stood up too Castro. And that is about all I can remember of him except my Dad called him a playboy.hehehe..Anyway, it's really something, the way Biden, Kerry, and Specter head up the field in putting a spin on Petraeus" report which I have noticed isn't even presented yet...I hate all this second guessing and assuming....

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  • I'm not a Democrat, I'm not even American. Personally I believe the Democrats are more beholden to corporate interests than the Republicans but they're both liars and serve only their own interests.
    As for this nonsense about the Iraq war not being a disaster due to body count ratio. How many enemy did the Germans kill in the second world war in ratio to their deaths and they still lost.
    Wars are won on objectives not bodycounts.

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  • sixxxshooter: "So what makes your European media more reliable
    then ours or the Iraqis? The reason why so many
    Europeans hate Americans is because your media is
    biased against the United States, I watch the BBC,
    I know. Also, the author of this report is a
    self-admitted liberal so I find it peculiar you
    think it's accurate. Also, I can't help it if the
    best free encyclopedia on the internet is an
    American based non-profit organization; Germany
    should put up one to compete. Also, in what
    country did you get your education?
    "
    W More..

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  • I don't know what you mean about Iraq not being in Europe. I was referring to the difference between the U.S. media and European media's coverage of Iraq. (Just an example when Tony Blair was being interviewd and said "Saddam kicked out the weapons inspectors" the interviewer wouldn't let him away with it)
    I think that video is full of holes lots of things jump out immediately. He says none of the countries is paying back their interest when only last year the UK finished paying back t More..

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  • It does go to show that they are willing to base ANY decision they feel on their immediate hatred of the current administration.

    If I were a CO on the ground over there I WOULDN'T BE FORGETING THIS ANY TIME SOON!

    They just told me that they NEVER HAD FAITH IN OUR ABILITY!

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