This is a debate I had with Foster777. Lets take a look at some of the errors he had and never corrected them or addressed them. He also provided me with evidence to back up my theory. Thanks Foster777 for the one sided debate.
Foster777:Quoted comment: Do a little research for yourself... have you read the 911 commission report? Or looked at any of the other evidence or statements that have been presented by ex FBI ex CIA ex Military Brass, firefighter/1st responders or even citizens? I think not. I highly suspect you get the majority of your regurgitated information, not from your own thoughts but rather from the mainstream news.
A top panel of experienced civilian and military pilots (conspiracy theorists) under the chairmanship of Colonel Donn de Grand met for an exhaustive 72-hour
conference in Portugal. The committee was endorsed by Dr. Paul Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury, and presently Senior Research Fellow at Stamford University. They concluded that the flight crews of the four passenger airliners, involved in the September 11th tragedy, had no control over their aircraft,
In a detailed press communiqu%uFFFD the inquiry stated: %u201CThe so-called terrorist attack was in fact a
superbly executed military operation carried out against the USA, requiring the utmost
professional military skill in command, communications and control. It was flawless in timing, in the choice of selected aircraft to be used as guided missiles and in the coordinated delivery of
those missiles to their pre-selected targets.%u201D
In evidence given to the enquiry, Captain Kent Hill (retd.) of the US Air Force, and friend of Chic Burlingame, the pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon, stated that the US had on several occasions flown an unmanned aircraft, similar in size to a Boeing 737, across the Pacific from Edwards Air
Force base in California to South Australia. According to Hill it had flown on a pre-programmed flight path under the control of a pilot in an outside station. The panel questioned why none of the pilots punched in the four-digit code into the flight transponder to alert ground control that a hijacking had taken place. Colonel Donn de Grand summarized by saying that the attack was carried out by the U.S. government to deceive its people into backing a crusade against Muslims and an eventual war against Iraq. This major report by respected
experts received absolutely no attention in the States or Britain. Why? Where is the government%u2019s rebuttal? Where is their evidence to prove it was carried out by Al-Qaeda? They haven%u2019t presented any.
As is now well known, at least eight of the September 11 ''suicide hijackers' either died before the event or are actually still alive. This isn't some kind of Internet conspiracy theory; it's been reported in mainstream media across the world. Furthermore, four of the five named Flight 11 hijackers are still alive and could not have been on the plane that hit the north tower. Beside the fact that according to their flight school instructors they could barely fly a Cessna, never mind a Boeing 767. Mohammed Atta, the son of a successful lawyer, grew up in a middle-class Cairo neighborhood. Not only did he have a good education, but so did his two sisters - one a university lecturer, the other a doctor. His father drives a Mercedes, and the family has a seaside home. Hardly the profile of a fundamentalist with an overbearing grudge against wealth and capitalism.
Atta's father, again to emphasize, a well respected lawyer and not a crackpot, is in the media every other month telling of how his son is still alive and had nothing to do with September 11,
"He is hiding in a secret place so as not to be murdered by the US secret services," Mohammed
el-Amir Atta, 66, told the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag. "As I saw the picture of my son,"
he said, "I knew that he hadn't done it. My son called me the day after the attacks on September 12 at around midday. We spoke for two minutes about this and that."
The BBC reported,
Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately
crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September. His
photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the
world. Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.
He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington,
and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports. He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Dayton Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring.
But, he says, he left the United States in September last year, became a pilot with Saudi Arabian
airlines and is currently on a further training course in Morocco. Wail M. Al-Shehri is the son of a Saudi diplomat in Bombay. Gaafar Allagany, head of the Saudi Embassy's information center, told the L.A. Times back in late September 2001 that "I personally talked to both father and son today." There are discrepancies concerning the identity of Abdulaziz Al-Omari. It seems there are two of him, either of which could have been on board AA Flight 11. However, both are still alive. The BBC reported, "Mr. Al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, walked into the US embassy in Jeddah to demand why he was being
reported as a dead hijacker in the American media."
The London Independent also investigated the case and came to the same conclusion, that there were two Al-Omari's, both of whom were alive and shocked
at being named as 9/11 hijackers. Abdulaziz Al-Omari number two is an electrical engineer, also based in Saudi Arabia. The New York Times reported, "Al-Omari
has since been found in Saudi Arabia and is apparently cleared in the case." Al-Omari number two himself, in a September 23 London Telegraph article, stated, "I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this."
barogers619: Ok first things I have to ask is what do you believe happened? Remote controlled 757's flew into the buildings I guess according to your theory. So what about the phone calls to relatives who said their plane had been hijacked? Did they make that up to. The hijacker coming over the intercom and telling people to be calm, was that made up too?
"I highly suspect you get the majority of your regurgitated information, not from your own thoughts but rather from the MAINSTREAM NEWS.-Foster777
LOL!!! thats is hilarious you bash people for using mainstream media as their source but in one of your statements YOU say:
As is now well known, at least eight of the September 11 ''suicide hijackers' either died before the event or are actually still alive. This isn't some kind of Internet conspiracy theory; it's been reported in MAINSTREAM MEDIA across the world.-Foster777
First of all, I never used any news source to provide my info like you have. So far all you have relied on is the MAINSTREAM MEDIA reporting info. So its ok for you to use MAINSTREAM MEDIA but other people cant because use it? The confusion over names and identities reported back in 2001 may have arisen because these were common Arabic and Islamic names. Your BBC report you are using came after two weeks of 9/11. They have sinced changed their story, like BBC has done so many times.
You cant be using old info to back you theories. Waleed M. Alshehri who sat in seat 2B on American Airlines Flight 11%u2014the one who was born in %u2018Asir Province, Saudi Arabia on December 20, 1978%u2014had not trained at a flight school in the United States. He was a %u201Cmuscle%u201D hijacker! So clearly not talking about the same guy here. Because they figured (rightly) that most of the hijackers had some sort of flight training, the FBI was looking for men with this credential, which was why they focused, quite naturally, upon Waleed A. al-Shehri who they knew had trained at an aeronautical university. Media outlets picked this up, found a picture of the innocent Waleed al-Shehri and ran it, which was why his photo appeared. When they realized he was not the guy, the FBI moved on, and no action was ever taken against Waleed A. al-Shehri%u2014who, of course, had done nothing wrong.
So what about the Waleed M. al-Shehri who the FBI eventually realized was their man? Neither he nor his brother, Wail al-Shehri (interesting; the Waleed A. Al Shehri who graduated from Embry-Riddle in the 1990s did not have a brother named Wail) have been seen anywhere since September 11, 2001. Their families certainly have not seen them. Members of the al-Shehri family%u2014the right al-Shehri family%u2014haven%u2019t seen them since 2000.
"He is hiding in a secret place so as not to be murdered by the US secret services," Mohammed
el-Amir Atta, 66, told the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag. "As I saw the picture of my son,"
he said, "I knew that he hadn't done it. My son called me the day after the attacks on September 12 at around midday. We spoke for two minutes about this and that."-Foster777
Check this link out talking about Atta's father
Lets get your story straight first before you start spouting false or innaccurate statements. Once again like I said. you CT's are great at picking and choosing yor 'evidence".
Foster777: ey these are not my theories. Did i state that? No. I simple provided information that has been put out by credible sources. Tell me why do you think there are millions of credible persons/sources coming forward? Simple because the "official" story, or rather that of the 911 commission report has not answered all the questions. Any any rebuttal to the questions regarding the towers collapse, building sevens collapse, the lack of video evidence showing the apparent plane that struck the pentagon, the reason for the failure of air defense, the countless witness' that have come forward telling of secondary explosions in the towers, the radio transmissions of a countdown before the implosion of building seven, the accounts of fire fighters in one of the towers stating that they had two isolated pockets of fire and would need two hoses to put it out, the suspicions deaths of those who have come forward, the fact that the FBI doesn't even have enough evidence to link this to Bin Laden, the fact that the Bin Laden family was flown out of America within hours of the attack when all other aircraft were grounded, the denial by Former US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice regarding any such preconceived threat of America being attacked by terrorists using high jacked airlines when infact a document does exist, not to mention the alleged hijackers who couldn't even fly a Cessna aircraft yet preformed in flight maneuvers that would be next to impossible for any experienced airline/military pilot. How about the fact that these hijackers took over a plane using BOX CUTTERS.. not just one plane but three. Three successful hijackings taking place over the continental united states? Really? Man even i give Americas defense more credit than you. How about the fake CIA videos of Bin Laden that the CIA recently admitted to? What about the trades on the stock market the morning of September 11th? Cui bono? Who benefits... thats the question that need to be asked here. Why would this be so surprising that your government would be involved in a false flag operation. Read up on your history. Read about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident or Operation North Woods (plans of using remotely controlled airliners blown up over the ocean.
So all the above being said. I'm not professing that i know what happened on the morning of 911, but one thing is for certain, the story being fed, or rather propagated by the government and the mainstream press does not add up to the plethora or contradictory facts that are out there. Be a good American and actually read the 911 commission report because i'd bet my left arm you haven't.
barogers619:Is this your rebuttal? You dont even mention nothing about what our previous post was about. Dont keep putting more theories out there if you arent going to defend your first theory. I go through this all the time with you CT's! You post a theory and I will address the theory, then you will post a different theory and not even defend the first theory. This will happen about two more times before you decide to not respond at all. If you are presenting them, then be willing to defend them when evidence is provided. Dont go to another subject because then you are percieved as not even believing what you are typing. At least give me some evidence of the "MILLION" credible sources or evidence about people who have been snuffed out because they knew too much. But before I even waste all my time presenting you with rebuttals to ALL your theories, please enlighten me on how you felt about my first response to you. This way I know you are serious about what you believe. I have done battles with too many of you CT's and I know that once truly credible evidence is presented to you guys you disappear. I am not a "sheep", so I dont just believe anything anybody says, you have to give me some kind of scientific or video evidence.
Foster777:You dont even mention nothing about what our previous post was about."? Wow stellar English. Read the first line of my rebuttal where I stated; "Hey these are not my theories."
You said: "Dont keep putting more theories out there if you arent going to defend your first theory."
Again this was not my theory....
You are missing the point entirely. Which is there are unanswered questions regarding the events and official story of 911. This you can not deny.
I didn't offer more theories i simply listed several questions/events that lead to more questions that were not address by the 911 commission. The truth is that 911 commission members questioned the lack of cooperation of the government. I'm not going to pretend i know what went on that day. To look at all the information/events of 911 in a holistic fashion and accept the "official story" presented by the government when there are so many conflicting reports from different bodies is simply ridiculous.
So as i've stated previously ....
I'm not professing that i know what happened on the morning of 911, but one thing is for certain, the story being fed, or rather propagated by the government and the mainstream press does not add up to the plethora or contradictory facts that are out there. Be a good American and actually read the 911 commission report.
barogers619:That is funny, attack my grammar. This isnt about grammar this is about what you believe. So your rebuttal to my evidence is "its not my theory", but you obviously believe them.
Tell me why do you think there are millions of credible persons/sources coming forward
So on your first post, when you talked about the hijackers still being alive, the source you used was wrong. If this is your proof of credible sources, then my grammar is the least of your problems. Do you still believe the hijackers are still alive even after I gave you a link to show that one of your "credible" sources had made a mistake.
I have read the 9/11 commission report, so what do you think about it? Give me certain phrases that you disagree with? Give me some theories that you believe in and then hopefully I can help you remove the blinds like was done for me.
Foster777:For one the 911 commission report didn't give a reason for building seven collapse.
The 911 commission also left out several first person accounts from that day.
How do you explain the molten steel/fires burning under the ruble of the towers?
I never said there are millions of credible sources coming forward.... but again to deny that there are several unanswered or evidence/accounts/testimonies which contradict the findings of the 911 commission is crazy.
How about the recent findings by Fox news of Anwar Al-Awlaki a lunch guest of military brass at the Pentagon within months of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.
How about Anthony Shaffer (U.S. Army Lt. Col) comming forward alleging a cover up at the highest levels of government regarding September 11th. %u201CAble Danger.%u201D
Former US Senator Mike Gravel (D-AK) and Richard Gage, AIA, Founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Discuss Scientific Findings.
How about the findings of World Trade Center (WTC) security company Stratesec & the relationship between Stratesec%u2019s CEO, Wirt Dexter Walker III, and its director Marvin Bush, whose brother was President of the United States on 9/11. Coincidence? I'm not sure but i think it should be looked into further.
How about Sonnenfeld (FEMA videographer).. He claims that he has footage which proves top US government officials were aware of the 2001 terrorist attacks before they occurred says he is a victim of a US plot to silence his 9/11 conspiracy theory. He is in hiding in Buenos Aires.
Max Cleland, who resigned from the 9/11 commission called it a "national scandal."
or the fact that 6 of 10 commissioners in the 9/11 investigation questioned its processes and conclusions.
Amazing, too, is that not a single Afghan was involved in the misguided conspiracy theory of the past administration, though 15 Saudis were, and we flew out Saudi%u2019s US-based creme de la merde ASAP on 9/11.
On September 19, 2001, CBS reported:
Sources tell CBS News that the afternoon before the attack, alarm bells were sounding over unusual trading in the U.S. stock options market.
An extraordinary number of trades were betting that American Airlines stock price would fall.
The trades are called "puts" and they involved at least 450,000 shares of American. But what raised the red flag is more than 80 percent of the orders were "puts", far outnumbering "call" options, those betting the stock would rise.
Sources say they have never seen that kind of imbalance before, reports CBS News Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson. Normally the numbers are fairly even.
After the terrorist attacks, American Airline stock price did fall obviously by 39 percent, and according to sources, that translated into well over $5 million total profit for the person or persons who bet the stock would fall.
At least one Wall Street firm reported their suspicions about this activity to the SEC shortly after the attack.
The same thing happened with United Airlines on the Chicago Board Options Exchange four days before the attack. An extremely unbalanced number of trades betting United%u2019s stock price would fall %u2014 also transformed into huge profits when it did after the hijackings.
"We can directly work backwards from a trade on the floor of the Chicago Board Options Exchange. The trader is linked to a brokerage firm. The brokerage firm received the order to buy that "put" option from either someone within a brokerage firm speculating, or from one of the customers," said Randall Dodd of the Economic Strategy Institute.
U.S. investigators want to know whether Osama bin Laden was the ultimate "inside trader" %u2014 profiting from a tragedy he%u2019s suspected of masterminding to finance his operation. Authorities are also investigating possibly suspicious trading in Germany, Switzerland, Italy and Japan.
Respected Middle East expert and former BBC presenter Alan Hart has broken his silence on 9/11, by revealing that the world%u2019s most prominent civil engineering company told him directly that the collapse of the twin towers was a controlled demolition.
100 million Americans question or find fault with the official 9/11 story
Insurance Policy that had been set up for the WTC Complex only weeks before the Twin Towers went down
According to a document obtained by the ACLU under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) on Tuesday March 16, the 9/11 commission was warned on Jan. 6th, 2004 by high-level administration officials to "not cross the line" in the investigation of the events that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001.
The document is available at http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/CIA.pdf
On the 8th of March 2010 Cynthia Mckinney (a former US Congresswoman and 2008 Green Party Presidential nominee) and Dr Nafeez Ahmed (best selling author and political scientist) address a meeting of Members of Parliament on the subject of the need for an independent investigation into the events of September 11th 2001.
Major Reginald Shinn USAF (Ret.) gives commentary based on the radio intercepts of the first responders.
The presence of multiple rescue teams moving throughout the building is inconsistent with the raging inferno that would have been necessary to weaken the steel structure enough to initiate collapse, as the official explanation suggests. Instead, there were two isolated pockets of fire that fire fighters believed could be put out with two lines.
Eric Lawyer (Fire Fighter)states flatly that the Book for Forensic preservation of evidence from a crime scene was blatantly ignored. True. But no one better than a FireFighter familiar with the "book" to say so. Willie Rodriquez was erased from 911 investigation, Prof. Jones thermate evidence ignored, Key witnesses were scene being thrown out for trying to testify. BUSH & Cheney and Rumsfelt got Congress to pass a law, that they can NOT be indicted if torture, or anything illegal they did should be later found to be a crime. What greater admission of guilt need we?
Destruction of the World Trade Center North Tower and Fundamental Physics
By David Chandler
DOWNLOAD PAPER IN PDF: http://journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/ChandlerDownwardAccelerationOfWTC1.pdf
Tell me have you watched this video?
AE911truth marks its benchmark%u2013 that more than 1000 professionals have undersigned support for a new investigation based upon inconsistent evidence with the official story of the 9/11 attacks.
Congressman Jason Chaffetz just said that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11.
Former FBI agent Colleen Rowley coming forward 9/11 whistle blower.
Wednesday, Sept 23rd, 2009 NYC CAN: An Open Letter To All Celebrities Who Want A New 9/11 Investigation 80,000 New Yorkers have signed a petition to place a referendum for a new 9/11 investigation on this November%u2019s ballot. Over 100 victims%u2019 family members are leading this call, and are joined by dozens of first responders and survivors.
David Steele is a former 20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer.
Steele has previously written that "9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war".
Independent Investigation Into Pentagon Attack Yields Alarming Information
Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth (pl911truth.com)
Retired General / American Intelligence Official Says 911 was an Inside Job
So no the idea of re investigating the events and persons surrounding 911 isn't left to the fringe CTs.
So my friends.... There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is condemnation before investigation.
barogers619:Still dodging my first post I see but thats ok we will talk about these theories you have presented. Do you know how many people died in WTC 7? Any clues. People think a guy named Craig Miller died in the collapse of WTC 7. It is never stated that he died in that collapse. Many people think he died in the collapse of the twin towers but it cant be confirmed or denied. So why would they initially investigate the collapse when some 3,000 people died in other incidents. There is no doubt the report is lacking but aside from the report their have been many others to make up for what the report failed to mention. Bush wanted it delievered quickly to appease you CT's and like everything else he did, he failed. So never remind the report, lets look at other evidence.
As for your molten steel, do they not offer chemistry classes when you are from? Simple high school chemistry that when hot iron is exposed to air it burns. Iron metal itself burns, and that when amassed in large piles can ignite fires. The oxidation of iron is accelerated by higher temperatures. This means, that the hotter iron metal in contact with oxygen is, the faster it will oxidize. Also you had sulfur present which with the formation of the eutectic mixture of iron oxide and iron sulfide lowers the temperature at which liquid can form in this steel. How do you think blacksmiths made their swords and shields or anything to do with iron?
"Tell me why do you think there are millions of credible persons/sources coming forward?" Foster777
So do you not even know what you are typing now. You did say there are a million credible sources. Have you forgotten? How am I suppose to debate with someone who doesnt even know what he said. Is this selective memory or just total amnesia? You talk about Anwar Al-Awlaki like he had a major role in 9/11. Do you find hard for a person to easily fool other people? I mean you are being fooled right now by these CT's, so who says he didnt fool them.
Anthony is alledging a cover up of the governments efforts of how much they failed, not a conspiracy. A cover up to save some of their own asses from failure to communicate. Dont take things out of context.
As far as your guy with this so called footage. Why doesnt he release it? If he is already in hiding, then what would be the harm? Why you ask he doesnt release it? Maybe it could be a possibility he doesnt have one. Maybe, though just maybe. As for the people we flew out of the country, I didnt know they were in on the plot. Should have we held them prisoners like we did when the Japs attacked Pearl Harbor? Saudia Arabia wasnt the place these guys coordinated their attacks. Bin Laden was living in what country when the attacks took place? Wasnt it Afghanistan?
As far your Wall Street trading, did you not realize that AA put out a statement before the attacks about losses. So if this was insider trading then wouldnt they have kept that to themselves? Henceforth the reason for such a high ratio of put to call.
You go on to use this Alan Hart guy, who hates the Israeli state by the way, why not used the engineer that told him? Also was the engineer that told him able to set up the so called "demolitions" in the buildings? You people are crazy that anyone would believe explosives were used. Do you know how much time that would take to do all three buildings. Your evidence of thermite is ridiculous also. They never found evidence of thermite just the ingredients for it, which ironically could be found through out the building. The WTC consisted of many elements of thermite but hey never found any traces of thermite. Not to mention how much time it would take for thermite to be applied to all buildings. Look I know that you agree with anyones word that agrees with you, but you cant take his words over video and scientific evidence.
With your link about 100 million Americans. So do you think they asked that many Americans? No. its just a guess due to a survey. Quit taking things for face value and dig deeper than just seeing the headlines. By the way if 100 million people jump off a bridge should I also do the same?
Do you not believe in coincidence? I got insurance on my house three days before I was robbed. Conspiracy. How about after I dropped my insurance from full coverage to liability and my car caught on fire just hours later. Another conspiracy? Nice of you though to cling to circumstantial evidence and no physical or scientific evidence.
I love it when you guys give this infamous quote about the fireman. Its amazing that people use this to say their were no infernos in the building. First, and definitely most important, is what floor was he on? Do you know because I do. He was on the 78th floor. More than likely the first fire he approached. Wondering what the floors above him were like, where the plane actually struck? Secondly, do you think two small fires are going to put off that much smoke?
Your link you gave me to youtube says it all about you thats funny. Good to sense you have a sense of humor, now if you could only get that other sense they call common to work for you, then we might be in business.
As for your link for the seismic graph, do you not understand what it means? I thought we were talking about the explosive devices not the impact of the planes. The graph you gave me just showed me what times the impacts occurred and what was recorded from all the events that day. You cant just be posting random shit and not know what it means. Just because you saw explosions in one of the charts you are talking about you figured it would prove your point. When they meant LOCAL explosions they meant nearby, not New York. Sure is nice of you though to show a link or two, so that is progress. Unfortunately you have showed links of peoples opinions and no scientific evidence. The scientific evidence far outweighs somebodies opinions if you are trying to come to a conclusion.
Some links I definitely think you should read up on.
Foster777: don't know if anyone died in WTC building 7. My assumption is not due to the time of the collapse. It still doesn't discount that both the NIST report stated that they didn't know what caused WTC7 to collapse or the fact that it was left out of the 911 commission report.
Regarding your theory of why there was molten metals burning underground after the collapse... The fires where neither hot enough or burned long enough for them to turn into molten metals. Jet fuel will weaken steel but it won't turn it into molten metal & certainly not under conditions within the towers. Regarding your "Secondly, do you think two small fires are going to put off that much smoke?" Fire produce more smoke when they are starved of oxygen which fuel the fire... so yeah smaller/less intense fires would produce more smoke.
Even if the fires were hot enough they didn't burn long enough to weaken the entire structure of the towers not to mention WTC7. On implosion of the buildings would the fires not be completely extinguished? How would it be possible for them to continuously burn underground with little to no oxygen?
I suggest you reread the report of nano-Thermite found in the ruble. You don't evidence of nano-thermite simple because there were materials which have the same properties.
What about the FBI's random find of one of the alleged hijackers passport after the collapse? is that another one of your coincidences? That was obviously a plant of evidence.
You can continue to tell yourself that everything is solid in the official story. For myself there are just too many "coincidences". Far to many credible sources have/are coming forward with conflicting evidence.
Keep your head in the sand if it helps you sleep.
barogers619: How sure are you NIST never concluded why building 7 fell? I say you are pretty sure by the way you are defending it but once again you have been misinformed. The final NIST report, released after it initial investigation, describes how the fires that followed the impact of debris from the collapse of WTC 1 (the north tower) led to the collapse of WTC 7; an evaluation of the building evacuation and emergency response procedures; what procedures and practices were used in the design, construction, operation, and maintenance of the building; and areas in current building and fire codes, standards, and practices that warrant revision.
Thats OK I understand why you didnt know this just like you didnt know about the corrections made to the articles of the hijackers, or how you forgot some of the things you have said. I was once in your shoes questioning the actions of 9/11. So questioning led me to do research on the internet and I found out that people were only giving me half of the evidence. Scientist dont come to their conclusions by studying half of the evidence but all of the evidence.
Once again you fail to understand what is being said. Do you think when the buildings fell everything underneath was sealed air tight? If no oxygen was going down that far then how did some of those people survive buried under rubble? The reaction between IRON AND STEAM is very EXOTHERMIC and fast at temperatures above 400 deg C. This reaction produces Fe3O4 AND HYDROGEN. It is the classic example of a REVERSIBLE REACTION studied in Chemistry labs at high school. But believe it or not, back at the turn of the century, the reaction of iron and steam was used as an industrial process for the manufacture of hydrogen.
iron and steam would have reacted in this way and generated a lot of heat. What is more, the hydrogen released would have been converted back to water by reaction with oxygen, thereby generating even more heat. In this case spraying water on the rubble pile was like adding fuel to a fire! To say the fires didnt burn hot and long enough to WEAKEN the steel or heat up is lunacy. Once again the fire isnt what makes the iron molten, its the EXOTHERMIC reaction.
Once again the fireman only saw the first floor that was damaged by part of the wing tip. He didnt go up any farther to see the damage. Once again you are taking peoples words and twisting them into what you want to believe. Orio Palmer was in the South Staircase (Adam) on the South Tower which was not damaged because of large, heavily constructed elevator equipment which protected it. The 78th floor was a sky lobby which didn%u2019t have much office furniture to catch fire. If there were two small fires on the 78th floor where just a wing tip entered, what must the 81st floor be like where the nose of the aircraft hit?
What report on nanothermite. You have not given me any report. Nanothermite has been talked about but its uses fall far short of cutting these massive columns in the WTC. It's in its research stage. They include possible uses for welding molecular devices and possible use as a heat signature flare decoy. Nanothermite is developed for propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics mot for cutting steel.
What about Lisa Anne Frost whose United Airlines Mileage Plus card was found in the rubble. Are you saying you find it hard to believe that everything wouldnt be disintegrated at point of impact. What about the seat cushion they found from flight 11. There is no coincidence here because things other than the passport survived. If his passport was the only thing found from the plane, then sure it would throw up some warnings.
So I see your amnesia has left you since you are stating about all of your credible sources now. Glad you could remember somethings you said now if only you learn from other sources besides people who are making money off of people like you believing in this conspiracy. I cant believe I was once ignorant like you, ignoring all the facts, believing in some half ass evidence, and listening to these guys who were trying to make a profit of a story.
Foster777: You are obviously disillusioned at surfacing evidence surrounding the events of september 11th however there is no need to lash out at those who have been awakened.
I wish you good luck.
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