by Jeff Dunetz
It is what everybody predicted would happen. When Attorney General Stedman Graham er, Eric Holder announced that some of the Gitmo terrorist trials would be switched from military tribunals to civilian courts, people warned that key evidence would now be thrown out because it was obtained by enhanced interrogation techniques such as water boarding. That’s exactly what happened to day in the trial of Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani whose trial was moved into the civilian system last year. The terrorist Ghailani is charged with conspiring in the 1998 bombings of the United States Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, that killed 224 people.
The witness who was banned from testifying, Hussein Abebe, says he sold TNT to Mr. Ghailani that was later used to blow up the United States Embassy in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. The Judge agreed that the government learned of Mr. Abebe through Mr. Ghailani’s interrogation when he was being held in an overseas jail run by the Central Intelligence Agency.
According to Ghailani’s attorney, the terrorist underwent coercive interrogation and torture while in C.I.A. custody, and that any statements or evidence derived from them is tainted and inadmissible. The prosecution said Mr. Abebe’s decision to cooperate was voluntary and only remotely linked to Mr. Ghailani’s interrogation. “This is a giant witness for the government,” a prosecutor, Michael Farbiarz, told the judge last week, adding, “There’s nothing bigger than him.” Mr. Farbiarz cited Mr. Abebe’s testimony that Mr. Ghailani made repeated trips to buy “black-market explosives” from him, adding, “That’s done for not many reasons in this life.”
Judge Lewis Kaplan announced his decision today, blocking the government from calling their “Giant Witness”
“The court has not reached this conclusion lightly,” said U.S. District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan in Manhattan. “But the Constitution is the rock upon which our nation rests. We must follow it not only when it is convenient, but when fear and danger beckon in a different direction. To do less would diminish us and undermine the foundation upon which we stand.”
Jury selection had been expected to resume on Wednesday. However, the case will now resume on Oct. 12 to give prosecutors time to determine whether they want to appeal the judge’s decision.
This morning former terror trial prosecutor, Andrew McCarthy wrote about the case in the National Review, and foreshadowed today’s ruling:
The Obama administration has made Ghailani its test case to prove that the civilian criminal-justice system works perfectly well in wartime against enemy combatants — to show that we don’t need military commissions or other alternatives specially tailored to address the peculiarities of terrorism cases. The administration figured Ghailani was a safe bet. After all, the embassy-bombing case had already been successfully prosecuted once: In 2001, prior to 9/11, four jihadists were tried, convicted, and sentenced to life imprisonment (although the jury voted to spare the two death-penalty defendants).Yet, to prove its political point that there is no downside in vesting Ghailani — a Tanzanian national whose only connection to the United States is his decision to make war on it — with all the constitutional rights of an American citizen, the Justice Department has had to slash its case. DOJ is also finding that even more critical evidence may be suppressed by the trial judge. In short, the slam dunk has become a horse race, one the government could actually lose.
Nice Job President Obama and AG Holder! Your quest to appease the Muslim world and make nice to your progressive base by transferring the terror trials to the US may achieve the result we were all fearful of, terrorists being acquitted and sent out to kill again. Should we get the feared result, I suppose the President will do the one thing he has been consistently successful at, blaming President Bush.
(biggovernment.com)
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And thus begins the crux of the great and unmitigated fuck-up.
Posted Oct-7-2010 Bypisscookie (216.46) 
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Bush disgraced the Nation with torture and Fox News supported it and convinced the now Tea bagger group that Torture was American. Jeezuz H Christ you right wing clowns turned this country on its head and you make no apology or show any embarrassment to it. Inhuman sacks of shit
Posted Oct-7-2010 ByZardoz003 (1642.32) 
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Water-boarding...was considered by the Gestapo to be their most terrible torture
You're right, the damage to image is probably irrevocable now. And pure genius how they got so many to think its right
Posted Oct-7-2010 ByElegantDecline (2144.68) 
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There you go again.with your biases.You can see that the obama admin wanted to bring this out so they did this in civilian courts.Thats what you can a can of shit.They want to cause this country as much misery as possible.Obama is a terrorist.
Posted Oct-7-2010 Bycocytan (361.92) 
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It isn't bias man it's just the awful truth. And to bring these cases to light may be damaging but it the right thing to do, it's the American thing to do that Bush should have done and we wouldn't be in such an embarrassing and disgraceful light today.
Posted Oct-7-2010 ByZardoz003 (1642.32) 
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If bush and Cheney didn't use torture, we wouldn't have to worry about proven terrorists in courts would we.
The entire Iraq war was based on false intelligence gathered from torturing prisoners.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/11/AR2009051103412.html
Posted Oct-7-2010 ByNurb (1005.92) 
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Just curious, do you add the tag "I suck" to your resume?
Posted Oct-7-2010 ByIncredulous (586.84) Incredulous View Channel Send Message
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Wouldn't trust what a drowning man was telling me anyway...
Posted Oct-7-2010 ByElegantDecline (2144.68) 
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I just don't get it, Obama constantly says the phrase: "The War in Afghanistan/Iraq", doesn't that make us a nation at war? Wouldn't that then make the insurgent fighters we capture and detain enemy combatants and therefore subject to military tribunals? I can't believe how many of you are so spineless that you have to defend the rights of these people in criminal court who are being detained because they fought against our armed forces. What is wrong with military tribunals? And wate More..
Posted Oct-7-2010 ByEnlightenedOne (11.16) 
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You have got to be joking right? What is the point you are trying to make with quoting the former British Prime Minister of the late 18th century? Please elaborate since that quote can be applied to my post in many ways. Instead of quoting someone why not respond to my post with your own thoughts.
Here's a quote for you:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke.
Posted Oct-7-2010 ByEnlightenedOne (11.16) 
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I thank you for your elaborated post Sarmatae but you've clearly missed the point of it. Never once did I say torture was necessary, but who are you to say what is torture and what is not? Water-boarding is in no way torture in my opinion, and should be left on the table for interrogations. Torture to me is physical dismemberment of limbs or appendages, crushing limbs or appendages, cutting, hitting, etc. Understand?
You are trying to be all high and mighty with your "principled" r More..
Posted Oct-8-2010 ByEnlightenedOne (11.16) 
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I was with this until Obama was brought into it. Bush and company did wrong and ruined this case before most of the world knew of Obama, so we blame him for the constitution. Bush and company are the ones who should be a trail for war crimes.
Posted Oct-6-2010 Bylinecrosser (161.68) 
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Sorry,I would have left Obama out of it,except for
the fact that all of this came from the great man
himself.This man had confessed everything,and the
case was pretty much closed,until obama pulled the
case from the military tribunal,and is having him
re-tried in civil court.All the evidence from the
military trial is thrown out.Wanna blame Dubya,be
my guest.I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a fuck.
Cheers.
Posted Oct-6-2010 Bygmccuiston (687.28) gmccuiston View Channel Send Message
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Yep.
Posted Oct-7-2010 ByJoe 788 (350.32) Joe 788 View Channel Send Message
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They should waterboard these guys with gasoline. LOL @ all the libs on here. GROW SOME FUCKING BALLS! These guys are terrorist and would detach your head from your body if they had the chance.
Posted Oct-7-2010 Bynatej740 (19202.00) natej740 View Channel Send Message
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That may be true but there is no need to sink to their level. If we resort to torture and lies then we are no better than they are.
Posted Oct-7-2010 ByEpitope (653.46) Epitope Send Message
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