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Arabs, Pakis claim: Afghan civil war feared as Taleban survive US surge
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Arab News (SRPC) – 9 hrs ago







WITH the end of the US surge in Afghanistan, the Taleban have survived the biggest military onslaught the West will throw at them — and fears are growing that a disastrous new civil war looms.



The last of the extra 33,000 soldiers President Barack Obama deployed nearly three years ago left late last month, and the remaining NATO force of some 112,000 will follow by the end of 2014.



Although a small contingent of foreign troops may remain to conduct counter-terror operations, Western politicians stress that what Obama once called the “good war” will “end” in 2014.



But while the unpopular conflict might end for NATO, some analysts predict a collapse of the Western-backed government and a civil war worse than that in the 1990s when Soviet troops withdrew after their own 10-year occupation.



“I think it is only a matter of time before the government collapses. That is certain,” says Candace Rondeaux of the International Crisis Group. “What will come to dominate in Kabul in 2014, 2015 will be chaos and violence. “And the fracturing that we saw in the 1990s will only be compounded by the fact that there are more weapons in the country and greater incentives now for a lot more brutality than we have seen before.” Afghan expert Gilles Dorronsoro of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace also predicts renewed strife, but goes further to foresee a Taleban return to power.



“After 2014, the level of US support for the Afghan regime will be limited and, after a new phase in the civil war, a Taleban victory will likely follow,” he wrote in a recent analysis. This contrasts sharply with forecasts by the NATO military and Western governments that Afghan forces will be able to defend the country after 2014.



That claim is “completely unrealistic,” Rondeaux says, noting that the often illiterate and poorly trained troops “have no air resources, zero logistical supply capability and zero real cohesion.” The Taleban have also proved adept at tactics: If they lost territory in the south, they assassinated key officials, staged high-profile attacks that humiliated their enemies and infiltrated the Afghan security forces.



Last month, for example, they stormed onto one of the largest NATO bases in the country, destroying six fighter aircraft in the biggest single loss of air assets for the United States since the Vietnam War.



One of the aims of the surge was to put so much pressure on the Taleban that they would come to the negotiating table, but the insurgents called off early contacts in March, accusing the United States of constantly changing its position. The New York Times reported this week that US generals and civilian officials have now all but written off the prospect of a Taleban peace deal.



Afghan Foreign Minister Zalmai Rassoul told Washington on Wednesday that the government would still work “vigorously” to seek peace with the Taleban, but the militants have always refused direct talks with what they call a “puppet” regime. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton pledged after meeting Rassoul that the United States would stand by Afghanistan “despite the challenges.”



The surge also never managed to cut off support in Pakistan terrorist Punjabi ISI for insurgent groups, which Rondeaux said meant “nothing has shifted strategically.”



Pakistan, where more Pakistani soldiers have died at the hands of a local Taleban insurgency than US troops have been killed in Afghanistan, is widely accused of continuing to support the Afghan Taleban, who have havens on Pakistani soil.



But in Islamabad, there are fears that the US withdrawal will increase the spillover of civil strife into Pakistan, says political analyst Hasan Askari. “The Taleban may not succeed completely in overthrowing the government in Kabul, but they can make life miserable and in certain areas... the Afghan government will have limited control,” he said.



Although Pakistan was an ardent supporter of the 1996-2001 Taleban regime, its relationship since with the hard-line faction has been uneasy at best. “Terrorism will continue, so I think it’s a mixed package for Pakistan and personally I don’t see Pakistan in a position to manage these kind of groups that are based in Pakistan or stop the movement across the border,” said Askari.



In Afghanistan, the United States has also seen its image tarnished among ordinary Afghans this year by the burning of Qur’ans at a military base, the abuse of corpses and a massacre of civilians by a rogue soldier. An unprecedented number of Afghan security personnel have turned their weapons against their allies, killing at least 51 NATO soldiers this year.



Despite this, many Afghans, particularly in the cities, fear the departure of the Western troops in a country where the government of President Hamid Karzai is widely seen as corrupt and dependent on foreign support. “Many, many Afghans are preparing for their exit from Kabul and contingency plans are already under way at a very personal level,” says Rondeaux. Dorronsoro said the withdrawal of international forces will in some respects leave the country worse off than it was before the 2001 invasion, which ousted the Taleban for harboring Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.



“In the end the withdrawal is the result of a failed strategy,” he wrote.



The US administration denies this, but there was no fanfare at the end of the surge and the war has become so unpopular that both Obama and his rival for the presidency, Mitt Romney, barely mention it.


Added: Oct-5-2012 Occurred On: Oct-5-2012
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  • Withdraw conventional ground troops. Imbed a few special forces teams and FACs. Then keep Apaches and b-52s loaded with 2000 lb bombs on standby to support the Afghani government troops.

    This worked to great effect in Iraqi Kurdistan in the opening moves of OIF so don't see why it won't work here.

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  • blah blah blah the taliban won. what utter nonsense. they are nothing but a bunch of assholes that will turn afganistan into the shit hole it was before and maybe they will accomplish their goals and it wont be our fault since they have so many supporters that just want nato to fail but pay no regard to the afgan women and children that will most certainly suffer if the taliban do come back to power. but maybe they do need to come back to power so the world can see who they really are and all t More..

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  • After Mt Saint Helens blew up in Americm,teams of researchers scaled the peak. They found Roaches still alive. Just sayin.

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  • Good, now pull our people out, make a bunch of mohamad movies and let them fly at it.

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  • Surely there must be *some* positive achievements the US has made in all these years ?

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    • @Talkie2011 Of course there is, but you will never hear about them. Only thing you will hear is how we lost and killed a bunch of innocent people, so they say.

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  • True in every sense. To think otherwise is a shame.

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  • All those years western nations treated Afghanistan as ONE nation, with one central corrupt puppet government. Afghanistan was never and will never be one nation. It's a piece of rough land divided by tribes, it was always like that, and it will be like that again as soon as NATO forces retreat from key locations in what we know as Afghanistan.

    Before the end of 2013 there will be a whole new crisis with an humanitarian problem for sure (refugees) and an escalation in Pakistan

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  • ok guys this is my prediction : week 1 after nato left afghanistan , taliban will take over kandahar and parts of helmand.

    Week 2: Zabul,oruzgan , wardak , and nearly half of afghanistan will be taken over taliban.

    week 3: the whole of afghanistan

    week 4: the excution day... everyone who worked in afghan government will be excuted

    week 5: afghanistan is back to the stone age! the end

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  • A worse civil war?

    Let's hope it's time for the Mahdi with the army of the black flags to appear.

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  • "the Taleban have survived the biggest military onslaught the West will throw at them"

    and it could be MUCH bigger.
    and with non-libtard RoE that SHOULD be in place, this shit would have been a powerful, overwhelming US/allied victory in much much less time.

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  • Had the local Afghani ni66az got off their asses and sided with the Karzai government things would be different. Now they will be slaughtered when we pull out. Too bad assholes. You got your chance. Islam never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

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  • "WITH the end of the US surge in Afghanistan, the Taleban have survived the biggest military onslaught the West will throw at them"


    Says it all doesnt it?

    Short of nuking Afghanistan the Americunts tried everything to defeat the Taliban. But failed.

    The Taliban will take over the country even if you occupy Afghanistan for the next 100 years. They already control large parts of the country right under the noses of 200,000 of the best troops the West could throw at them.

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  • All the soldiers in the world cant defeat an insurgency that has a safe haven. The taliban can always draw new recruits from their wahhabi dominated cultural heart land.

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  • they survive it because the Afhan people are the Taliban....

    We should be using the Kitcheners 2nd Boar war approach to winning this insurgency

    SIMPLES

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