Panetta: 'International Permission,' Not Congress, As 'Legal Basis' for Military Action
WASHINGTON, March 7—Under question from Sen. Sessions at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing today, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey indicated that "international permission," rather than Congressional approval, provided a 'legal basis' for military action by the United States.
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Added: Mar-8-2012
By: mdscorpio71
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Tags: Leon Panetta, Jeff Sessions, United Nations, NATO, War Powers act, Congressional Authority, Military Action
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By: mdscorpio71
In: Other
Tags: Leon Panetta, Jeff Sessions, United Nations, NATO, War Powers act, Congressional Authority, Military Action
Marked as: approved, repost
Views: 1657 | Comments: 112 | Votes: 1 | Favorites: 1 | Shared: 13 | Updates: 0 | Times used in channels: 1
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can anyone seriously deny we are under the administration of a global cabal with this kind of revelation?
Posted Mar-8-2012 ByYogsoggoth (818.50) Yogsoggoth View Channel Send Message
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Follow your own constitution you jagoff!
Posted Mar-8-2012 ByCaptain Canuck (1408.52) 
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I saw this earlier and it is chilling.
Bush 41 wanted a new world order, Clinton wanted US under the UN Rights of A Child, Bush 43 went to the UN to get a coalition to attack Iraq, Obama on his world-wide apology tour and every speech since has shown his only allegiance to the US ended when he eloquently stumbled through his oath of office.
The US since at least back to Woodrow Wilson has had internationally minded presidents looking to bargain away US sovereignty. There is only one politician More..
Posted Mar-8-2012 ByYukon6400 (972.12) Yukon6400 View Channel Send Message
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@Yukon6400
Bush 41 and 43 both got congressional approval to go to war in the Gulf war, The Iraq war, and The Afghanistan war. Obama did NOT get approval in Libya, in fact he never even brought it to a vote! The administration argued that since it was under the NATO umbrella that approval wasn't needed!
Congressional approval is a de-facto declaration of war!
Posted Mar-8-2012 Bymikedelta12 (370.80) 
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ok.. panetta and dempsey should be in jail then
Posted Mar-8-2012 Bymorningwood (526.10)

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@morningwood Very, very true. They have a criminal mindset; "Do what we want, whether the law in our land allows it or not."
Posted Mar-9-2012 ByTrainedWreck (76.88) 
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Say what you want about Bush/Iraq/Afghanistan, but he got permission from the people's representatives first.
Posted Mar-8-2012 Byjeffbaustin (433.40) 
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how so?
Posted Mar-8-2012 Bymorningwood (526.10)

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@morningwood
Bush 41 and 43 both got congressional approval to go to war in the Gulf war, The Iraq war, and The Afghanistan war. Obama did NOT get approval in Libya, in fact he never even brought it to a vote! The administration argued that since it was under the NATO umbrella that approval wasn't needed! Also Clinton exceeded 60 days without congressional authorization in the Kosovo bombing in 99! Clinton and Obama both violated the '73 War Powers Resolution. The only presidents in history to More..
Posted Mar-8-2012 Bymikedelta12 (370.80) 
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@mikedelta12 Congress actually unconstitutionally relinquished it's powers to Declare war over to the Executive. It's a technical but very important difference.
Posted Mar-8-2012 Bymdscorpio71 (1118.62) 
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Isn't that the very definition of a declaration of war? Granting the Executive permission to prosecute/continue hostilities? The only difference is in symantics.
Posted Mar-8-2012 Bymikedelta12 (370.80) 
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@mikedelta12 Not exactly, and in Law semantics is everything. When we declared war against Germany in WWII, we declared it against the nation of Germany, we didn't declare war against all Nazi's - if we did we would still be fighting that war. In our current conflict Congress should have exercised it's authority to draw up letters of Marque and reprisal for all individuals responsible or associated with those who committed the attacks on 9/11. As they were not a nation state but a gang of thugs More..
Posted Mar-8-2012 Bymdscorpio71 (1118.62) 
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Hey, Leon, what if the majority of people tells their representatives they don't want to be a part of an operation like Libya? The president isn't suppose to be some warlord prince that can sacrifice minions at his whim.
Posted Mar-8-2012 ByCannibalsCookpot (380.00) 
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You hit the nail on the head!
Why is he not before congress defending an impeachment? 6 months at war without congressional approval?
Posted Mar-8-2012 Bymikedelta12 (370.80) 
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HANG THIS TRAITOR! Who the fuck does he think he is, and why are the people not freaking out?! I commend Sessions for asking the tough questions, but his actions were still not outraged to the appropriate level. I would be yelling at him like they do in the Parliament!
Of course this will not be on the news though, will it..
Panetta, ex CIA Director and now Secretary of Defense -- we're so fucked.
Posted Mar-8-2012 ByJgizzy (380.00) 
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WTF!!! Generals should not be involved in the political decision-making process. Instead, they should proffer advice regarding the use of the military in achieving policy-makers goals, and as to the probable success of the military outcome. It should be left to the political leaders to decide if the military option should be pursued.
"Sounds like we have a Rouge Military"
The title should have said, "US Military commanders seizing power."
Posted Mar-8-2012 Byzziper (669.64) 
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RON PAUL!!!
2012 PLEASE DON'T FORGET TO VOTE!!!
Posted Mar-8-2012 Byzziper (669.64) 
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@zziper
Unfortunately not enough people are sufficiently pissed off or even informed enough to get RP elected. I'm voting Romny because he is the lesser of two evils.
Posted Mar-8-2012 Bymikedelta12 (370.80) 
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that statement is the dumbest thing i have ever heard!!!!
and judging by your comment that probably is a self-portrait as your profile pic!!
Posted Mar-9-2012 Byjake3223 (61.20) 
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Get lost troll!
Posted Mar-9-2012 Bymikedelta12 (370.80) 
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excuse me??? you obviously are one of those uninformed people if you are going to vote for romney!! just keep drinkin your flouride and you will be fine.
Posted Mar-9-2012 Byjake3223 (61.20) 
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@jake3223
If you want to debate on why RP cannot get elected or why Romney's a better alternative to Obama then I'm all for it. But you start throwing insults right off the bat, with absolutely nothing of substance whatsoever! How can anyone take you seriously when you post such nasty comments with not a fact to back it up.
Until you can backup your arguments with facts rather than childish insults, you are the very definition of a troll, nothing more!
So, unless you want to discuss like the g More..
Posted Mar-9-2012 Bymikedelta12 (370.80) 
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What the fucks going on over there? Is this April fools day?
Posted Mar-8-2012 Bytilal (94.68) 
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@tilal We're in deep shit, mate.
Posted Mar-8-2012 ByTHX1979 (185.04) THX1979 View Channel Send Message
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@THX1979 Agreed.
Posted Mar-9-2012 ByTrainedWreck (76.88) 
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If you are in todays Military, GET OUT!
The Constitution you placed your faith in is no more.
Posted Mar-8-2012 ByArizona_Patriot (3118.66) 
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Or time to stand with the people and Constitution and arrest the trators
Posted Mar-8-2012 Byaranger45 (2989.48) 
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Nope,sorry, wrong answer.
Military takes orders from the commander in chief.
Soon enough, there'll be a new CiC
Posted Mar-8-2012 ByAiredale (2624.86) 
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God I hope you are right.
I guess that makes me hoping for a change.
:)
Posted Mar-8-2012 Bywharris (2247.32) 
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@Airedale the orders have to be approved by congress. "War powers act" was meant only for national emergency and not for bombing Libya etc. to protect the bankers from a gold standard (as obama did).
Posted Mar-8-2012 ByHitler_Is_Amazing (2950.98)

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What the fuck!?!?!?!?!?
Posted Mar-8-2012 Bymutterfudder (694.88) 
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Sessions has it right...these puppet politicians are more concerned about everyone else rather than the United States.
One major problem within the Pentagon is they’d rather appease the fucking Arab League instead of Congress....WHAT THE HECK is going on here???
Two thumbs up for Sessions !!
Posted Mar-8-2012 ByGulf Flyer (1887.04)

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