Western and Eastern reporting at odds about Donetsk rally - so, watch actual videos of what happened.

There had been two views on the recent gathering in Donetsk:

Version of Ukrainian Media, www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11679502/D and their Novaya Gazeta outlet -

"About 500 people came to the city center and were shouting: "Stop the war!", "Give us
back our houses, our homes are broken!", "Get out of here!"

"Protesters demanded the cessation of hostilities and an end to the artillery attacks that the militants launch from the district of Oktiabrskiy rynok" ... " protesters accused the militants of
carrying out shelling from residential areas to provoke return fire from
the Ukrainian military"

"Zakharchenko said that it would be impossible to stop the war immediately, the crowd reacted by shouting: "The war must be stopped immediately, or you should provide us with

more of that in this www.liveleak.com/view?i=c93_1434413665 by Hexhex

Version by Russian media and the DPR :

"Desperate protesters in the center of Donetsk demand to protect them from Ukrainian Army and start an offensive at Ukrainian positions"

"inhabitants of Oktyabrskiy and Petrovskiy district of Donetsk ... gathered for a grassroots show of
support to the DPR Army and protest against Ukrainian shelling of residential areas of Donetsk"

"There are no leaders and no single demand at the rally. Some people demand driving of Ukrainians away from the residential areas, others demand the offensive along the entire front line"

"About 200 people participate in the rally"

"The participants of the rally met the words of Aleksandr Zakharchenko about the impossibility of the return of Donetsk and Lugansk into Ukraine with applause and treated him to home-grown cherries."

(more in www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a6_1434407825 by Karl2015 )

Here are two videos we have translated - not tiny quips with one bitter old woman that the Novaya Gazeta and such used, but long continuous clips (first done by yours truly, second by Vox Populi Evo):


So, what can we see?
Overall, both versions aren't 100% correct.

People had all sorts of positions and a lot of the rally wasn't only about the war - most of it was spent discussing housing, providing electricity, fighting crime and alcoholism, etc. In a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LQBV3LsEts (not translated - but informative) Zaharchenko read off a long list of notes given to him by the residents, and commented what was done to resolve each one - the majority concerned things like help for a wife of KIA militiaman, finding housing, repairing plumbing, and such.
The meeting looked like a Town Hall talk more than anything - like a competent and respected mayor addressing the resident's concerns.

However, DPR version was objectively a lot closer to the truth.
For starters, any camera pan of the rally clearly shows that there were nowhere close to 500 people there, contrary to Novaya Gazeta&Co claims. Probably comes from their habit of over-reporting the numbers at opposition rallies, heh.

Second, the things Novaya Gazeta / outlets like www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11679502/D report were shouted by one-two irate old women, clearly determined to push their point as they shouted them over and over - until others hushed the,. And, as far as I can see, even those women never claimed DPR are "provoking" the shelling.
Couple women do not represent all of Donetsk. Heck, they didn't really represent anyone else at the rally - there were multiple people saying they wanted to hug Zaharchenko, said that militia needs to attack, asking how could they help the militia, etc.


1. Zaharchenko is a competent and charismatic leader.
2. Western mass media and Novaya Gazeta are still full of sh*t. Always watch primary evidence.

PS. Interestingly enough, Novaya Gazeta tries to maintain a facade of being open and pluralistic, so their website has a lively comments section.
Problem is, the moderators only allow rabid Russophobes. I asked why the report doesn't match the videos of the rally = instant IP ban.