Former Mossad chief Halevy express his fear from a possible strike over Iran and joins a line of other former high security officials in Israel which raised their concerns regarding such a strike, including former Mossad cheif Dagan, former Shin Bet chief Diskin and former IDF cheif of staff Ashkenazi:
By Ari Shavit, Haaretz
Efraim Halevy was an integral part of the Israeli security establishment. Between 1990 and 1995 he was deputy head of the Mossad and the architect of the peace treaty with Jordan. From 1998 to 2000 he was head of the Mossad. In 2002-2003 he headed the National Security Council.
In 2008, he submitted to the government a contrarian report that suggested an alternative way of coping with the Iranian nuclear threat. In 2010 and in 2011 he was openly and sharply critical of those who advocated attacking Iran.
Nevertheless, Halevy’s approach is indeed different and anomalous. More than any other interviewee in this series, the London-born spy-diplomat displays empathy for the Iranians and tries to understand them. He suggests getting out of the strategic labyrinth in which we find ourselves not by force but by political means.
“What I have to say is complex,” Efraim Halevy tells me. “I do indeed argue that a nuclear Iran does not constitute an existential threat to Israel. If one day we wake up and discover that Iran has nuclear weapons, that does not mean the start of the countdown to the end of Israel’s existence. Israel need not despair. We have deterrent capability and preventive capability. If Iran acquires nuclear weapons, Israel will be able to design a true operational response that will be able to cope with that. We will be able to prevent a Hiroshima in Tel Aviv and we will prevent a Hiroshima in Tel Aviv; so we must not talk about a Hiroshima in Tel Aviv, because prophecies like that are self-fulfilling. Nor must we draw baseless analogies with the 1930s.
“The true Churchillian way is not to talk about the possibility of a second Holocaust, but to ensure that there will be no holocaust here. I was a boy in Britain during the Blitz. I remember vividly Churchill’s speeches blaring from the radio. He did not talk about the possibility that Britain might not survive. On the contrary: even in the direst straits he said that Britain would have the upper hand. He promised that whatever happened, come what may, in the end Britain would win. Anyone who purports to be Churchill needs to talk like Churchill and project self-confidence.
“I am absolutely appalled when I hear our leaders talking as though there were no Israel Defense Forces and as though there were no State of Israel and as though Auschwitz is liable to be repeated. As I see it, the message we should be conveying to the Iranians − and to ourselves − is that we will be here in any event and in any scenario for the next two thousand years.
“But we must not become confused,” Halevy continues. “A nuclear Iran is not an existential threat, but a nuclear Iran is a grave matter. Nuclear weapons in Tehran’s hands upset the regional balance and create a very serious strategic situation. Nor can we completely rule out the possibility that if Iran possesses nuclear weapons it will ultimately use them. When the danger is very great, even if the risk that it will be realized is only 10 percent, we need to treat it as a risk of 100 percent. So I am not one of those who are indifferent to the Iranian danger. Under no circumstances am I ready to accept a nuclear Iran. But I maintain that the way to prevent nuclearization is not necessarily by means of force.
“Going to war is an absolute and irreversible act that entails high costs. Accordingly, before using force, we need to exhaust all the other possibilities. To the best of my knowledge and to the best of my assessment, the other possibilities have not yet been fully exhausted. Some of them have not even been tried. The simplistic equation of bomb or bombing led to a mistaken focus on bombing as the only response to the bomb. But the truth is that a situation is possible in which there will be both bombing and a bomb. A situation is also possible in which there will not be a bomb without bombing. I do not say that bombing should not be resorted to in any situation.
“I also think that it is right to create a bombing capability and threaten with a bombing capability. But what I am suggesting is to step out of the box now and stop thinking in binary terms, and recruit our best brains to think of a way to stop the Iranian nuclear project without engaging in an all-out war. Because an attack on Iran is liable to foment a generations-long war with Iran, it is our duty to do all we can to prevent a bomb and prevent bombing and resolve the crisis creatively.”
I am ready to sign off on that immediately, I tell my interlocutor. I imagine that even Benjamin Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman would sign. But it’s not clear to me which magician will pull from which hat the rabbit you are talking about. After all, the international community tried negotiations and tried sanctions and got nowhere. We waved sticks and lured them with carrots, but the Iranians went their own way. That is why we are now in the situation in which we find ourselves. The soft means have been played out and the alternatives left on the table are the cruel ones.
“What we need to do is to try and understand the Iranians,” the former Mossad head says. “The basic feeling of that ancient nation is one of humiliation. Both religious Iranians and secular Iranians feel that for 200 years the Western powers used them as their playthings. They do not forget for a moment that the British and the Americans intervened in their internal affairs and toppled the regime of Mohammad Mosaddeq in 1953. From their perspective, the reason why, to this day, there is no modern rail network and no modern oil refineries in Iran is that the West prevented that. Thus, the deep motive behind the Iranian nuclear project − which was launched by the Shah − is not the confrontation with Israel, but the desire to restore to Iran the greatness of which it was long deprived.
“I believe that if the West could find a way to propose to Iran alternative methods to acquire that sense of greatness, Iran would forsake the nuclear road. If Iran were offered trains and oil refineries and a place of honor in regional trade, it would consider this seriously. You say carrots? The carrots offered to Iran until now were not big enough. Maybe the sticks were not thick enough, either.
“There should have been cooperation with Turkey vis-à-vis Iran. There should have been action against Iran in Syria. The Russians should have been brought into the picture. If Israel had adopted a creative, active policy, and if the international community had held up to the Iranians a far richer package of threats and enticements, I think there would have been a chance to dissuade the Iranians from embarking on the dangerous road they have taken. And I believe it is not too late. The sanctions are very painful. The negotiations have not yet been exhausted. The threat of an American military option can also be more concrete. If instead of focusing on a military solution, Israel were to succeed in mobilizing the international community for complex and sophisticated political-economic action, I believe that the results might be surprising.”
But you yourself apparently do not believe that Israel will adopt the path you are recommending, I say to the experienced and doleful man sitting opposite me. You yourself said that if you were an Iranian you would be very worried in the next few weeks. Are you also worried as an Israeli? Do you feel that Netanyahu and Barak will order the air force to attack during the autumn? Is it your assessment that an attack of that kind could result in a disaster?
In the fading light that fills the room, it is plain that Halevy really does not want to answer that question. He does not want to annoy the national leadership and does not want to infringe on national security. Nevertheless, it is clear that he is very worried. He does not like Netanyahu’s intervention in U.S. politics, and he is apprehensive about the interface that has been created between the Iranian issue and the U.S. elections this November. He thinks that Israel must on no account be perceived as having contributed to the election of one candidate or torpedoed the candidacy of another. His evaluation is that a combination of a Holocaust-influenced frame of mind and the desire to promote the election of the next American president is dangerous. However, Halevy’s remarks for the tape recorder are quite measured.
“We have to take into account the possibility that if we attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, there will no longer be a political horizon in regard to Iran or sanctions against Iran. We have to deploy for the possibility that while the immediate result of the operation will be Israel’s glorification in the Sunni Arab world, the later result will be a sharp anti-Israeli public wave in the spirit of the Arab Spring. We need to understand that after the attack, a deep Israeli complex will develop in Iran, one that crosses parties and opinions and communities, because we will become the symbol of those that humiliated Iran and prevented it from restoring its greatness. We need to remember that we are very much dependent on the United States and not utter boastful slogans that we are sovereign and therefore will take our fate into our hands.
“I was in our embassy in Washington during the Yom Kippur War and I saw how much we needed the airlift and how hard it was to organize an airlift, even when the U.S. administration was extremely sympathetic. I saw what happened when the president threatened Israel toward the end of the war that the United States would lift its protection. I suggest to all of us not to go back to that place and also not to repeat the mistake we made in 1956 when we went into the Sinai Operation without informing the Americans.
“I am not Chamberlain. I am not proposing peace with honor or peace in our time, but a realistic view of the situation. It is true that the present Iranian regime does not want Israel to exist. But that desire is not their top priority, and they themselves know that it cannot be realized. The Iranians are afraid of us no less than we are afraid of them. What they did in the past 20 years is to use the Israeli-Palestinian issue cynically to gain popularity and influence in the Middle East. But what is happening now is that the rhetoric of Israel as a cancer is gradually drawing them into an increasingly acute confrontation with us. We, for our part, are treating them like Hitler and are being drawn into a confrontation with them from which there will be no way back.
“That is a pity. Iran does not have a common border with us and there is no direct conflict of interest between them and us. A full-scale confrontation between us is unnecessary. I am not naive and I am not ready for the Iranians to deceive us. But what I recommend is trying to calm the Iranian-Israeli conflict and not escalate it. It is possible that, in the end, we will have no choice and will be forced to attack. If so, we will all have to stand behind the government that makes the decision and stand together in the campaign. In war, one acts as in war and shows solidarity. But before venturing on such an extreme and dangerous action, I suggest making a supreme effort to avoid it. We must not hem the Iranians in and we must not push them into a corner. We have to try to give them an honorable way out. It’s always worth remembering that the greatest victory in war is the victory that is achieved without firing a shot.”
http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/former-mossad-chief-an-attack-on-iran-likely-to-foment-a-generations-long-war.premium-1.461760
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In: Iran, Other Middle East
Tags: Former Mossad chief, Halevy, Dagan, Diskin, Ashkenazi, Objection, Iran strike
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ffs everyone was shitting kiloton bricks when North Korea got the bomb, this was when they had over numerous times threatened to turn Seoul into 'A sea of fire' and various other existential threats.
Guess what happened? Nothing.
Same with Iran, when they get the bomb everyone will wail and cry, tonnes of sanctions will be placed but it wont change the fact that Israel has nukes and will simply have a reason to use them if Iran tries anything.
In short, nothing will happen, move along guys.
Posted Sep-1-2012 Byfludblud (175.40) fludblud View Channel Send Message
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Nrth Korea isnt run by Islamic extremists that want to bring on the 12th imam!
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByFreejay (3857.26) 
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@Freejay And how will nuking the holy land achieve that? Your holy places are their holy places too, even the most batshit insane mullah knows that turning it into irradiated glass wont bring back the imam, let alone please him.
Any attack on Israel from a muslim country will always be conventional because they want the rich historical land it sits on, not a nuclear waste.
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Simple....they wont attack Jerusalem.
I suggest you read up about the 12th Imam....then you might realize how serious these islamic extremists are.
Posted Sep-2-2012 ByFreejay (3857.26) 
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Who cares, fuck em both. Both countries are useless.
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByFlashingDiode (37.10) 
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lets make a huge glass dome like in Simpsons movie and throw it over middle east.THE END
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByFreedomfighter77 (177.54) 
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Wow. An israeli who doesn't want iran bombed? Now I've seen everything.
Posted Sep-2-2012 ByAli187 (141.70) 
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Wow, an excellent speech/interview...it does seem that the operational people, IDF, Mossad etc. 'get it' and want to avoid this...while the politicians can't wait to get bombing...
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByElegantDecline (2132.08) 
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Israel is safe because it has a second strike capability off-shore...courtesy of Germany
No one can hit Israel without being assured total destruction in return
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByElegantDecline (2132.08) 
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How does that make Israel safe, when these Islamic shiite extremists dont care if they die to bring in the 12th Imam?
You make no sense....as usual!
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByFreejay (3857.26) 
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@Freejay you dont make any sense, as usual zionist jews dont. You people cant see anything wrong for what you have done.
Tell me, what is your take on USS liberty, where Isreal INTENTIONALLY attacked US navy vessel?
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByEMAG-K (518.32) EMAG-K View Channel Send Message
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I only make no sense to you because of your lack of intelligence.
The USS Liberty was an accident that Israel apologized for...the families were compensated.
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByFreejay (3857.26) 
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@Freejay they attacked it and knew it was US vessel. It was to provoke USA to attack Egypt.
Documentary about the incident was supposed to be shown in history channel etc, in USA but it was cancelled two time because JEWISH LOBBY was able to hide it. Eventually it was released.
How about those Jjewish soldiers bombing UN Peacekeepers in Golan or whatever? They knew what they were bombing but just because they are jews they can do it.
And dont insult my intelligence. Im just not biased like you. More..
Posted Sep-2-2012 ByEMAG-K (518.32) EMAG-K View Channel Send Message
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Wow that is the most amazing words from this conflict to come to light. It's fucking bang on! Voted and faxed. This guy knows what he is talking about. Amazing post
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByNoalias (373.60) 
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Good so zionists don't mess with everyone thanks.
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByServoxa (192.40) 
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geeeeeeeez push the fucking button already ... lets get it on
Posted Sep-1-2012 Bynzkiwi (412.80) 
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This is quite a long Haaretz interview, but he says there all sort of interesting staff, including about the Churchillian way (Halevy was born in London and his childhood was during the Blitz days) to deal with such a crisis (Hint: Not by starting a war...), About the risk of loosing the American support in case of such a strike, About the need to understand the Iranians and what is really important for them,and how can the west reach them out (He also mentions the American and British envolvmen More..
Posted Sep-1-2012 Byaydeo (6063.38) 
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its fault of Nazi`s in US congress like Ron Paul he loves Iran more than America.
Americans must denouce people like Paul and countries like Iran.
Americans dont do enough to support israels cause ( Americas last hope ) they must harras iranians when ever there is a situation for it.
call your congress man, demand support for Israel now !
spread the word> ISrael = love Iran/Paul = Lucifers henchman
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByTelaviv_Nightlife (31.10) 
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WTF? You fucked up jews are always demanding anyone else except your self to stand up for you. show some guts and do it on your own... and btw, how about your contribution against the war of terror? like sending troops to Afghanistan etc...
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@Telaviv_Nightlife Here's my question, why support a state that is illegally occupying lands, bombed an American naval ship killing 30 sailors, is the biggest foreign and domestic threat to America, sucks American taxpayer blood, and kills Palestinians like bugs? What has Israel ever done for Humanity other than kill activists and civilians, and caused more hatred and fear than any country in the world? You are not real Jews, real Jews get along with Muslims.
Give me a good reason why anyone s More..
Posted Sep-1-2012 Byturkzil (123.28) 
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Shut the fuck up already- Maybe it's time to do some cleaning in my items and get the fuck out al the radicals and haters, they really getting me sick
Posted Sep-1-2012 Byaydeo (6063.38) 
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@turkzil wait for the zionist fucks attack you
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByEMAG-K (518.32) EMAG-K View Channel Send Message
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You are making here a total Demonization against Israel, and by that you are not different at all from Telaviv Nightlife who does the same against Iran.
Both of you needs reality check.
Posted Sep-1-2012 Byaydeo (6063.38) 
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Moronic leftist twat!
The west has tried for the last 4 years with the Iranians...through diplomacy, talks and sanctions.
Sit back and let them get nukes?
Is this guy senile?
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByFreejay (3857.26) 
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@Freejay you jews give up your hidden nukes which you lied about to the world, THEN you might have a legit reason to bitch about Iran.
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByEMAG-K (518.32) EMAG-K View Channel Send Message
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Leftish twat...?? Till now almost the entire Former security high personal expressed the same concerns, Do you accuse Ashkenazi of being a lefty...??
They simply activate their common sense, it's about time you will as well..
Posted Sep-1-2012 Byaydeo (6063.38) 
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Yes...Ashkenazi also leans to the left.
You know that!
Posted Sep-1-2012 ByFreejay (3857.26) 
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Why is that?
We have never threatened to wipe out any countries.
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@Freejay you jews tried to wipe out lebanon and you failed. how are your dead jew soldiers doing in the hell btw?
Posted Sep-2-2012 ByBeirutNightlife (5.70) 
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