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Chick-fil-A: This Is Not a First Amendment Issue

I have previously stated in various comments that I am a Liberal and support gay marriage, and that I oppose any government official interfering with a business based on their expressed religious beliefs or social philosophies. The Constitution, specifically the 1st Amendment, prohibits it. What some people fail to grasp is that the 1st Amendment applies TO GOVERNMENT ACTIVITIES ONLY. It tells us what the government can and cannot do, must and must not allow. It does not tell me, or you, what speech or religious activity we must allow or tolerate or engage in, or not. With all of this in mind I found the following excerpt from a Huffington Post article interesting. And before the rants about the Huff being a liberal rag start, I will concede that it is...even the Huff admits it. But this does NOT change the truth of what this says:

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If I hear one more person say that he or she is supporting Chick-fil-A because "This is a First Amendment issue," I'm going to jump out of one of the Huffington Post's fifth-floor windows and swan dive into oncoming traffic.

It seems I can't open Twitter or look at Facebook or read a website without hearing that refrain. It was the chant of many of the Chick-fil-A fans who were in attendance yesterday at "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day," which was dreamt up by former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee to support "freedom of speech" and President and COO Dan Cathy's right to believe that gay people do not deserve to get married (or -- if you want to dress it up -- "shouldn't be able to redefine traditional marriage"). But make no mistake -- this is not about the First Amendment.

I fully support Cathy's right to say whatever he wants (and, in fact, so does the ACLU). But just because someone can say something doesn't mean they should -- or that we should celebrate him or her for doing so, especially when what they're saying is, at its core, promoting a culture of hate against a group of people.

I have a hard time believing that there would be lines around the block at Burger King if its CEO gave an interview where he or she stated, "I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage... black and white people should not be allowed to get married,'" and had also donated millions of dollars to white supremacist organizations.

Similarly, if the head of Taco Bell came out and said, "I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to try to redefine what marriage is about -- women should be the property of their husbands and anything otherwise is against traditional marriage," I don't think we'd see food courts packed with folks rabidly demanding 10-packs of tacos.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/noah-michelson/chick-fil-a-first-amendment_b_1733305.html


Added: Aug-2-2012 Occurred On: Aug-2-2012
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  • "If I hear one more person say that he or she is supporting Chick-fil-A because "This is a First Amendment issue," I'm going to jump out of one of the Huffington Post's fifth-floor windows and swan dive into oncoming traffic."

    This is clearly a 1st amendment issue. The article doesn't even refute that. It's a blind liberal opinion, from somebody who doesn't think people should be legally allowed to think or believe differently than they do.

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    • @ST0N3PONY cam up?

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    • @ST0N3PONY
      And liberals are freaking the f out. their claims of racism and homophobia don't work anymore

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    • @ST0N3PONY You missed the WHOLE point. Would the crowds at Chik Fil A have been the same if Cathy had said he thinks blacks and whites should not be allowed to marry?

      Since supporters are claiming they do so based on free speech concerns, not because of any anti gay issue, would these same supporters have been there if it was a black/white marriage issue? If NOT then this clearly is NOT a 1st amendment issue for them.

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    • @gregsto This is America, and a person has the 1st amendment right to be racist if they want to. The crowd wouldn't be as big no, because people would choose to condemn them for their racism (more free expression). You think the Chick Fil A person should go to prison for thinking different from you?

      If you don't like it, move to Europe where your masters will toss you in a cell for saying the wrong thing.

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    • @gregsto No gregsto you missed the whole point. When government officials retaliate against a CEO expressing his religious beliefs, I strongly object on first amendment grounds, even if I don't agree with the CEO.

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    • @SacredVow
      He's just regurgitating what he's told

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    • @SacredVow You missed the WHOLE point. Would the crowds at Chik Fil A have been the same if Cathy had said he thinks blacks and whites should not be allowed to marry?

      Since supporters are claiming they do so based on free speech concerns, not because of any anti gay issue, would these same supporters have been there if it was a black/white marriage issue? If NOT then this clearly is NOT a 1st amendment issue for them.

      Note that I started by acknowledging that the mayors were 100% wrong. But i More..

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    • @SacredVow Not if you dust off your cerebrum.

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    • @gregsto

      homosexual bigots are not born homosexual negroes are no matter how many times you spew the scripted propaganda out of Kirk and Madsen's Homosexual Agenda instruct homosexual lying bigots like you to equate homosexual behavior with being negroid.

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  • first, mr. cathy who is 91 years old and was talking to a baptist magazine did state that he believed in the biblical marriage, he did not down gays, he just stated his own beliefs and he has always ran his restaurants with his principles, they are all closed on sundays so his employees can go to church even though he loses alot of revenue.

    it seems to be that the gay community looks for any reason to jump on someone just because they have different beliefs. they havent hurt chick fil a busine More..

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    • @-shauna- YOUR RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!! Be queer all u want,just stop bullying me with it!!!

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    • @rbvr1 you're*

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    • @-shauna- You have no clue what you are talking about. Cathy is not 91, you are thinking of his father perhaps. He appears to be in his 50's.

      He most certainly did 'down' gays:

      Appearing on “The Ken Coleman Show,” Cathy spoke of his company’s pride in its socially conservative character, but then offered an assessment of same-sex marriage that might lose the popular fast food chain a few customers.

      “I think we are inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him a More..

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    • @-shauna-

      That's because homosexual bigots are narrow minded, intolerant, venomous, mean spirited, wrong headed, heterophobic, Christian bashing, xenophobic libtard, hate mongering homosexist ignorant bigot.

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    • @gregsto

      You're a narrow minded, intolerant, venomous, mean spirited, wrong headed, heterophobic, Christian bashing, xenophobic libtard, hate mongering homosexist ignorant bigots.

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  • Rahm Emmanuel and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino are government officials. They are not allowed to retaliate against a private citizen for exercising his right of free speech to express his religious belief.

    So, yeah, you're absolutely wrong. Please jump out the window. Thanks.

    And please stop equating homosexual marriage with mixed-race marriage. The last time I checked, a mixed-race couple could procreate. Some people still think marriage and reproduction are related. Quaint, huh?

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  • It is a First Amendment issue...now jump.

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  • The more commentary I hear on this issue the more I see people do not really understand the real issue.

    Oh well, carry on.

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  • To the poster: Anybody that has a problem with anybody's support for traditional marriage is a hater! BECAUSE I SAID SO ASSWIPE!!!

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  • So just because he stated that opposses the stupid gays from marrying that means that he should be censored?

    Idiot liberals.

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  • we didnt build 'chic-fila' the govt. did....and they'll crush it.....

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  • Think like a Lib, act like a Lib, be like a Lib or you will pay in every conceivable way. These people have come unhinged because a company supports traditional marriage, which is somehow reprehensible to gays, who only came to be human because someone's parents did the bone dance. Get over yourselves and get a life.

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    • @yorba
      Define traditional marriage for us please,because from what I see today,the traditional marriage consists of 2 fucking idiots making vows to God to be life partners and stay together through good or bad,eventually getting a divorce by year 3 and clogging up the courts because the gonads,not logic or common sense,got them hitched in the first place.

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    • @Muscledoctor Between a male and a female. Whether they are shallow, stupid, or ignorant is not part of the definition or equation. Gays divorce, but it's usually settled over anal beads and butt plugs so it's not such a big thing.

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    • @Muscledoctor Traditional marriage is short for Holy matrimony. Which is only a reference or term from the bible, this is where it came from. In which they believed was only between a man and a woman and only to procreate. Regardless of the tossers that are clueless in our society of even maintaining a functioning family. Hence the term Civil union for gays, for you would have to redefine the word Marriage or Holy matrimony . This is why people dislike most liberals, they attempt to redefine eve More..

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    • @Americanalltheway

      Makes too much sense for the stupid liberals.

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  • I don't understand OPs argument. This IS a first amendment issue. The dude should be able to say whatever the fuck he wants and vocalize his own political opinions regardless of what position he holds in financial standing. I fully support gay marriage and gay rights and all that but I also fully support free expression of political ideology no matter how flawed it is.

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    • @lucidx1 You missed the WHOLE point. Would the crowds at Chik Fil A have been the same if Cathy had said he thinks blacks and whites should not be allowed to marry?

      Since supporters are claiming they do so based on free speech concerns, not because of any anti gay issue, would these same supporters have been there if it was a black/white marriage issue? If NOT then this clearly is NOT a 1st amendment issue for them.

      THAT is the point. YES it IS a 1st amendment issue at its core...but those cl More..

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    • @gregsto
      No, even if he said he didn't support interracial marriage I would still support and defend him because he should be allowed to express his ideology.

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    • @lucidx1 From your own couch maybe....but I bet you would not run down to the Chik Fil A for a 'support CFA day'. I would absolutely defend his right to say what he wants, and to be free from government interference no matter what....as I have said over and over....but you cannot, with a straight face, claim this same amount of in person support would be seen. The gay issue is the draw...the 1st amendment claims are 'free speech when it comes to anti gay messages'...NOT free speech per se. Or ar More..

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    • @gregsto

      Those who choose homosexuality are not the same as those who are born negro, hence the motive for homos claiming they were born that way as scripted by Homosexual agenda psy-ops manifesto creators Kirk and Madsen, so we see you're following the propaganda script. Nice try you hate mongering psychotic heterophobic bigot.

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  • "It is a first amendment issue" now jump retard

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  • Ah, but this has become a First Amendment issue because we've had public officials in cities like Boston and Chicago state that Chik-Fil-A was no longer welcome to do business in their cities. This is government attempting to discriminate against a company based on the free speech of the company's CEO.

    If gay rights supporters want to rally against Chik-Fil-A, more power to them. It's their right to free speech. If the Chik-Fil-A CEO wants to rally against gay marriage, it's his right to fre More..

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  • 1st admendment rocks! FUCK LIBTARDS AND THE BUTTHURT QUEERS!

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  • Another excerpt from the Homosexual Agenda the bigoted homosexual jihadist hate movement is deploying:

    “….by conversion [toward public acceptance of homosexuality] we mean something far more profoundly threatening to the American Way of Life, without which no truly sweeping social change can occur. We mean conversion of the average American’s emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media.” - Kirk & Madsen More..

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