Since NBC sportscaster Bob Costas gave us an anti-gun lecture two weeks ago during Sunday Night Football, we've heard a lot from progressives like Juan Williams, Bob Beckel and anti-gun advocacy groups about how countries in Europe with strict gun control laws don't have problems with gun crime. We've also heard the reason the United States has a "gun crime problem" is because we allow citizens to own handguns however, the numbers on violent crime committed using a gun tell a different story.
Data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.
UPDATE Correction: The data on the UK is from 2003 and it is not new as prviously written however, newer data from 2009 shows gun violence in the UK has increased by 89 percent in the past decade, making the 35 percent figure insufficient.
The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.
Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.
Unadjusted figures showed overall recorded crime in the 12 months to last September rose 9.3%, but the Home Office stressed that new procedures had skewed the figures.
Shadow home secretary Oliver Letwin said: "These figures are truly terrible.
"Despite the street crime initiative, robbery is massively up. So are gun-related crimes, domestic burglary, retail burglary, and drug offenses.
"The only word for this is failure: the Government's response of knee-jerk reactions, gimmicks and initiatives is not working and confused signals on sentences for burglary will not help either.
"The figures will continue to be dreadful until the Government produces a coherent long term strategy to attack crime at its roots and get police visibly back on our streets."
Gun crime would not be cracked until gangs were broken up and the streets "reclaimed for the honest citizen by proper neighborhood policing", he added.
At least some in the UK are talking about "attacking crime at its roots" by focusing on criminals, after all, guns are already banned so they can't blame crime on guns shooting themselves. Meanwhile in the United States, as more and more people own guns, the rate of violent crime has gone down.
Violent crime in the United States fell for the fifth consecutive year in 2011 with murder, rape and robbery all going down, although crime remains a serious problem in many urban areas, the FBI said on Monday.
The report of all crimes reported to police nationwide showed slightly more than 1.2 million violent incidents nationwide, while property crimes hit a nine-year low.
Compared with 2010, the new figures show violent crime down 3.8 percent overall. Property crime was down 0.5 percent.
Among violent incidents reported to police, murders were down about 0.7 percent, robberies dropped 4 percent, aggravated assaults declined 3.9 percent, and forcible rapes were down 2.5 percent.
On top of these figures, the notoriously violent city of Washington D.C. just saw its murder rate fall below triple digits for the first time since 1963 and just four years after the Supreme Court overturned the city's handgun ban in District of Columbia v. Heller.
The District is poised to finish the year with fewer than 100 murders for the first time since 1963, and neighboring Prince George's County likely will post its lowest homicide total in 25 years.
The "murder capital" of the United States two decades ago, the District has had 79 murders so far this year, according to police records. The annual number has been declining steadily since 2008 and is a far cry from the five years during the late-1980s and early-1990s crack epidemic, when the number of homicides never dropped below 400.
For further reference, it is important to keep in mind that Fairfax, Alexandria and Arlington are all located in Virginia, a state that allows concealed carry of handguns with a permit. The chart above shows these areas have always had the lowest crime rates compared to Washington D.C. and Maryland where concealed carry is either banned or extremely difficult to do lawfully.
More guns means less crime, period.
UPDATE Correction: The data on the UK is from 2003 and it is not new as prviously written however, newer data from 2009 shows gun violence in the UK has increased by 89 percent in the past decade, making the 35 percent figure insufficient.
Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.
In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.
The statistic will fuel fears that the police are struggling to contain gang-related violence, in which the carrying of a firearm has become increasingly common place.
The only guys who have guns in this case are the bad guys, since guns are banned for the good guys in the UK.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/12/11/gun-crime-soars-in-england-where-guns-are-banned-n1464528
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The only people here that have handguns are the criminals, cos lets face it, it was only us responsible & licensed gun owners who handed in our guns.
Now a days I am severely disabled and confined to bed 24 hours a day, if someone breaks into my home there is nothing I can do, I cant hide, I cant run and I cant defend myself at all, yet if I had a .38 in my bedside cabinet I wouldn't be at risk, I could ensure my own safety, but as said all I can do as things are here is pray..
Don't let t More..
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bymagicaxeman (27.80) magicaxeman View Channel Send Message
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Well said, and stay well...
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByProofOfPurchase (392.30) 
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@magicaxeman well said mate on the other hand i have two big dogs and a fuckin big sword, having said that our lass is as big.as me she can deliver a punch like mike tyson
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bydinglbat (868.66) dinglbat View Channel Send Message
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A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a t More..
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bythe_dude1234 (251.32) the_dude1234 View Channel Send Message
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@the_dude1234 tell me how many mass shootings have happed in australia since 1997 when we handed in our auto and semi auto weapons which is what the law was drafted to stop btw
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bydr tipple (49.40) 
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@the_dude1234 nice facts and a good read. Hope it slaps some of the helpless up side the head.
Posted Dec-16-2012 Bysocalxplorer (166.50) 
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http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom heres the real facts, more guns do not mean less crime. your propaganda is lame
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bycheck2check (119.32) 
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In the UK you can [illegally] buy a handgun quite easily. Lots of them come from eastern europe, and goodness knows what they have previously been used for. I myself am terrified of guns, and have no desire to own one. But making things illegal dosen't make them go away, does it?
Posted Dec-15-2012 Byamazedattheworld (28.60) 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Great Britain deaths per 100,000 0.22 , Homicides 0.03
United States deaths per 100,000 9.00 , Homicides 2.98
Stop lying OP. Your 'facts' are easily disputed with a quick search.
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByRichterscale (125.22) 
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How can the total firearm related deaths be higher than homicides? That list doesn't even make sense.
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByProofOfPurchase (392.30) 
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@ProofOfPurchase Copy and paste the link. There are more kinds of gun deaths than just homicides. Suicide for starters...
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByRichterscale (125.22) 
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@ProofOfPurchase Because the number is actually "Gun Violence" that 9.0 number that people use for the US includes Suicides (5.75) and accidental deaths, which is (.27). If you organize the list by homicides alone the US ranks 20th for Gun related homicides.
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByProfessorWho (145.00) 
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WTF? what's a OP and if you are saying I'm lying you are a total imbecile. i posted an article with a link. don't make it personal you dumb fuck.
Posted Dec-16-2012 Bystar53 (32468.00) 
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American wanna bees
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByGulf Flyer (1875.24)

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@Gulf Flyer You are the British wanna bees, wishing you were the British or as good and as well trained as the Chinook pilots of the RAF, lol! 200 years of walking, talking, dressing like Brits, and then even better, listening to all of their music, and copying it!
Posted Dec-18-2012 Bymorganson281 (53.80) 
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@morganson281 Brit wanna be..nice come back
I've flown with your Brit 47 Pilots out of Kandahar and Bastion...they aren't...all that good so don't fool yourself especially when all you know about them is what you....READ
Posted Dec-18-2012 ByGulf Flyer (1875.24)

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Just like in Mexico, only the bad guys have guns.
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bycoco357 (58.20) 
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Conveniently they will likely continue to further encroach upon the freedoms and liberties of the British people thanks to these statistics.
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByMAKMAK (2415.70) MAKMAK View Channel Send Message
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@Americanalltheway We are safe. No burglar ever comes armed with a gun as there is no need.The guns are with the gangs who fight between themselves for whatever they choose.
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByFreakster (448.10) 
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@Americanalltheway you could get confused opening a letter, thats the problem with you idiots the caliber of your handgun is higher than your IQ
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bydr tipple (49.40) 
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@Freakster in another thread this idiot wants to arm and train teachers to deal with gunmen in schools
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bydr tipple (49.40) 
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No surprise at all. Ask Australia.
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByMegadeth (1433.40) 
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@Megadeth Ask us what? If the gun controls enacted after the Port Arthur Massacre have been effective in reducing gun crime? Why, yes they have, thanks for asking.
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByEnkii666 (30.36) 
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@Megadeth What??? Seriously... you guys are so brainwashed by the NRA propaganda.... where you will believe anything they make up as fact.
The NRA flat out lied about increased crime statistics in Australia when our gun laws came in... when the statistics showed exactly the opposite. The NRA was forced to apologize and admit their "mistake" but it obviously didn't make it's way to the US Media if you still believe this fallacy.
Since our gun laws there has not been a single massacre More..
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByTotal_package (224.24) 
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@Enkii666 No, they have not.
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByProfessorWho (145.00) 
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@ProfessorWho WOW! Another propaganda based bunch of statistics... slanted to paint a false picture. These articles have already been disproven. For example.
This article says absolutely nothing about GUN RELATED crime and only focuses on crime in general. Gun laws don't stop crime they stop people getting KILLED.
They quote robbery and assault statistics rising... yet don't state that gun related robbery and assault has declined. In fact from 1995 the year before gun laws came in...(27.8 More..
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByTotal_package (224.24) 
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1.) "Gun laws don't stop crime they stop people getting KILLED." - According to the Australian Institute of Criminology Homicide rates since the early 1990s have fluctuated slightly from year to year, but the overall trend has been downward *With a gun ban*. The US homicide rate hit it's peak in 1991 (9.8) and has been steadily declining to (4.8) in 2010. *Without a Gun Ban* You would think if it was all about the weapon and not the person the Australian number would ha More..
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByProfessorWho (145.00) 
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Even if you only mean hand guns you are only partially right about them being banned. As for gun crime going up I dont doubt it. But its between the criminals who have the illegal guns,the general public are rarely affected by guns.
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByFreakster (448.10) 
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I wish conservative gun supporters were able to see this applies to drugs and prostituion as well.
Prohibition of any kind fails everytime and tends to make things worse.
Posted Dec-15-2012 BySatanIsGoodSatanIsOurPal (248.30) SatanIsGoodSatanIsOurPal View Channel Send Message
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'Data out from the UK, where guns are banned..'
Um, hate to ruin your story with facts, but guns aren't banned here. We have a thriving hunting and target shooting market, and shotguns, both for hunting and for sporting use are very commonplace.
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByArgh (257.64) 
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@Argh Ya the facts always ruin these guy stories.
Posted Dec-15-2012 ByToad490 (136.90) 
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@Argh You should tell that to the morons that use your country as a gun ban success too.Doesn't really matter if they are not entirely banned.The gun control has proven to do nothing.
Posted Dec-15-2012 Byjaydenfre (316.22) jaydenfre View Channel Send Message
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@Argh umm, you don't know the difference between sport, fire arms and hand guns? sorry to hear that pal.
Posted Dec-16-2012 Bystar53 (32468.00) 
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There's a few criminals that have guns in the UK, but they only use them against each other. Massacres that have happened in the UK have all been legally owned weapons.
Posted Dec-15-2012 Bytruebrit49 (271.52) 
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American crimes rates are quadruple what they are in England. In all areas as well. Gotta love when they try to say other wise.
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