The appearance of the two fraudsters as presidential candidates only serves to reaffirm the death of the US Constitution.
1) JZ wrote:
There is nothing more to expose about Obama's Birth Certificate. Any reasonable person, who examined the records, knew from the start that Obama was a fraudster. Those, who don´t want to examine the facts and don´t want to know the truth will not change their minds by any further exposure (e.g. Mr W),
But as you and I agree, the central systemic breakdown of the US government is in the courts. Obama should have been in prison by now, if the Rule of Law were in effect.
And where you and I differ is:
a) The legal profession - the courts could never have got this way absent widespread corruption of the legal profession. It appears to me that the some in legal profession woke up only when cannibalism started – with harsh retaliation by the courts against dissenting attorneys.
b) Banking/corporations - they are the true sovereigns of the United States today. I consider Citizens United a landmark that will go down in history together with Nero appointing his horse a Roman Senator.
c) The People - nothing will change until the People get out to the streets, to peacefully re-assert their sovereignty.
d) The Constitution - No massaging of the law or the constitution can make any difference any more. If you needed a reminder of that - you got it with the 2nd Circuit re-instating NDAA and indefinite military detentions the other day. The US Constitution cannot not be revived even by ICU and electric shocks. It was a nice document, and it had its day. Now, it needs to be buried before it starts stinking.
2) G wrote:
My obsession with the BC?
I d/n think I have an obsession. I believe in holding government officials accountable.
I simply am asking simple questions that deserve and demand simple answers re the bona fides of Barack Obama - the present President of the United States (who is running for reelection) - said to be the most powerful position in the world, but are not getting them. Why? You want to call that an obsession, I can not stop you.
The media never vetted Barack Obama in the 2008 election. They have not done so to date.
You then wrote: It should be clear by now to any reasonable person that both Obama and Romney are fraudsters... Forget about the Hawaii officials... Where are the US courts in all of this? Where are the media? Where are the People in the streets?
If Obama is a fraudster, I want him exposed, I want the proof, and want him subject to the law and the Constitution.
If such is true for Romney, I want a similar fate for himWhat is your position on the BC? Then what is the proof for your position? Then why are the courts, pols and media propping up Obama? Romney? G
3) JZ wrote:
Not sure what your obsession with the BC is. It should be clear by now to any reasonable person that both Obama and Romney are fraudsters...
Forget about the Hawaii officials... Where are the US courts in all of this? Where are the media? Where are the People in the streets?
1) G wrote:
A media that is not curious, that does not/will not do its job, that will not investigate, that in fact carries water for and cheer leads for.
The lack of Barack Obama’s BONA FIDES - is an issue that will not die.
A forged and out of sequence Hawaiian Certification/Certificate of Live Birth, a Social Security account number issued out of the state of Connecticut (yet no know connection to/with that state), a Selective Service registration card with a tampered stamp, the loss of his Illinois bar card, mass legal efforts and millions spent to torpedo any lawsuit brought to inquire about his bona fides, and volumes of his birth, school and other records sealed.
See the below wnd.com article about further important developments about Obama’s Hawaiian birth documents.
And of course recall, that is was Barack Obama himself - who in FACTwas/is the original birhter, The Birther-In-Chief, claiming since 1991 through 2007 in his bio put out by his literary agent - that he was born in Kenya.
Liberty & Truth require constant vigilance. GLZ.
WND EXCLUSIVEARPAIO INVESTIGATOR: HAWAII STILL COVERING UP FOR OBAMAMike Zullo back from another trip to Honolulu with 'more evidence'September 18, 2012
by JEROME R. CORSI
Mike Zullo, the lead investigator in Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s investigation of Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president, says he has returned from a second trip to Hawaii with additional evidence the state’s Department of Health is maintaining a cover-up of Obama’s 1961 birth records.
When Arpaio dispatched Zullo for the second trip, the assignment was kept confidential for Zullo’s safety and to prevent media leaks. Only Arpaio and the chief deputy of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office were aware of the assignment.
In Honolulu, Zullo worked closely with local contacts, including Duncan Sunahara, the brother of Virginia Sunahara, an infant child born in Hawaii Aug. 4, 1961, the same day Obama was born, and died the next day.
As WND reported, Virginia Sunahara entered as a figure in the Obama birth controversy because no birth certificate for her had been located, leading to speculation her birth certificate could have been the source of Obama’s.
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Duncan Sunahara has tried to obtain a copy of his sister’s original birth certificate but has been denied.
“I was shocked by the lengths the Hawaii Department of Health has gone to deny the family of Virginia Sunahara a copy of the original long-form birth certificate that the family is lawfully entitled to request and obtain,” Zullo told WND. “I had to ask the question why this little girl’s 1961 long-form birth certificate was so disconcerting to the Hawaii Department of Health?”
Zullo obtained from Duncan Sunahara a copy of proceedings in the Hawaii Circuit Court of the First Circuit in which Hawaii Deputy Attorney General Jill Nagamine appeared before Judge Rhonda Nishimura on March 8, 2012, to argue Duncan Sunahara was not entitled under Hawaiistatutes to observe or obtain a copy of his sister’s original 1961 long-form birth certificate.
During the proceeding, Nagamine argued that Duncan Sunahara’s request did not derive from a true interest to examine or obtain a copy of his sister’s original birth records, to which he was entitled under Hawaii law. Nagamine insisted his underlying interest was to produce evidence in Obama’s birth controversy, to which he was not entitled under Hawaii law.
Nagamine argued that the original 1961 birth certificate records were delicate and needed protection, and accessing them was burdensome.
But to get the long form you actually do have to go to the vault. And the records that are in the vault have been bound in volumes, not just the one, not just plaintiff’s sister’s records, but other records from around that time of birth, for example, in this case, the president’s birth certificate, which we know this is all about.
So these volumes in the vault are kept in temperature-controlled areas, they are bound in volumes, the clerk would have to go and find the volume that it’s in, pull out the volumes. These are old records, and in plaintiff’s case it’s more than 50 years old. They would have to open the volume. They have a special Xerox machine that copies those old records that they don’t remove the binding. They have been bound.
The plaintiff could not back (sic) in the area of the Department of Health where that special Xerox machine is and he couldn’t go in the vault without this disrupting the security and safety of the other records, the temperature in the room in the vault where the records are kept. So it would be very, very burdensome, not only for the legwork involved going to retrieve the volume, find the volume, find the page, take it to the Xerox machine, copy it.
So, Nagamine concludes, Duncan Sunahara should be satisfied with the short-form certificate of live birth the Department of Health issued for his sister, even though it is a modern computer-generated form, not a certified exact copy of the original:
If everybody was getting [a copy of the long-form birth certificate], those days of copies like they did in the old days, the records could not be preserved safely, the pages would be torn, they could not be protected. So the fact that all of this data is computerized, they can get the data. The law means that this data is as good as the original. Plaintiff got the birth certificate, he knows his sister was born. To there – there – it would be very, very burdensome.
Judge Nishimura denied Duncan Sunahara’s request, agreeing with Nagamine.
Zullo charges Hawaii with lying
Zullo was quick to point out that in the court proceedings Nagamine admitted the entire volume of birth certificates containing not only Virginia Sunahara’s long-form certificate, but also those of the Nordyke twins and Barack Obama, has been moved to a special secure location with very limited access.
“The point apparently is to hide away Obama’s original birth certificate, if it exists and then deny anyone access to see the document on the premise it’s too fragile to examine,” he said.
“What purpose did the Hawaii Department of Health have in preserving these records if it was not to show them when requested to family members and others who have a legal interest in seeing the documents?”
See Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s most recent press conference on Obama’s eligibility
Zullo dismissed Nagamine’s argument that getting a photocopy of a long-form original 1961 birth certificate was a burdensome, time-consuming process that would jeopardize the integrity of all birth documents.
“Nagamine’s arguments were utterly disingenuous,” Zullo stressed.
“Her vigorous defense has nothing to do with the integrity of original 1961 birth records. Most likely, Virginia Sunahara’s original long-form birth certificate has a different number than the number on the computer-generated short-form certificate of live birth that the agency released to the family.”
Zullo further pointed out that Nagamine’s arguments in the Sunahara hearing seem to contradict photographic evidence of Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, registrar of the Hawaii Department of Health, easily locating a volume on a wall-length bookshelf of bound birth certificate volumes.
“What Onaka showed in that photograph was nothing like what Nagamine argued in court,” Zullo said.
Numbers out of sequence
WND reported in May 2011 that no birth certificate had been located for Virginia Sunahara at that time.
Subsequently, the controversy intensified when the Hawaii Department of Health released to Duncan Sunahara a short-form certificate of live birth with the number 151 1961-011080.
The problem was that the Sunahara birth certificate number was wildly out of sequence with Obama’s birth certificate number and with the birth certificate numbers of the Nordyke twins, who were born in Hawaii the day after Obama.
WND reported in July 2009 that the Nordyke twins, born at Kapiolani Hospital, the same hospital as Obama, were issued birth certificate numbers lower than Obama’s.
Here is the sequence, including Virginia Sunahara:
· Susan Nordyke was born at Kapiolani Hospital at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time on Aug. 5, 1961, and was given No. 151-61-10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.
· Gretchen Nordyke was born at Kapiolani Hospital at 2:17 p.m. Hawaii time on Aug. 5, 1961, and was given No. 151-61-10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.
· Barack Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital at 7:24 p.m. Hawaii time on Aug. 4, 1961, and was given No. 151-61-10641, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 8, 1961.
· Virginia Sunahara was born at Wahiawa Hospital at 9:16 p.m. Hawaii time on Aug. 4, 1961, and was given No. 161-1961-011080, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 10, 1961.
So, Virginia Sunahara’s birth certificate number is some 440 numbers higher than the Nordyke twins’ and Obama’s birth certificates, even though Virginia Sunahara’s birth certificate was filed with the Hawaii registrar two days after Obama and one day before the Nordyke twins.
Moreover, the inclusion of the full year “1961” in the Sunahara birth certificate violates the pattern seen in the Nordyke twins’ birth certificates and in Obama’s, where the year is represented only by two digits “61.”
These anomalies led Duncan Sunahara to request the Hawaii Department of Health to allow him to witness the production of a direct copy from the long-form birth certificate held by the HDOH in the agency’s vault.
His purpose was to see if the birth certificate number on the short-form computer-generated certificate of live birth the HDOH issued him had an altered number that had been forged to create the impression the HDOH in 1961 did not number birth certificates in the order in which they were filed.
If the HDOH in 1961 issued birth certificates randomly, or by a logic other than chronological order of birth, then the fact that Obama’s number is higher than the Nordyke twins numbers could be explained.
“The reason the Hawaii Department of Health most likely does not want the public to see the original 1961 birth records is that an honest examination would show the forgers made a mistake in assigning to the forged Obama birth certificate a number that was out of sequence,” Zullo insisted.
“If we could see the original 1961 birth certificate volumes, we would see the Hawaii Department of Health in 1961 assigned numbers in a reasonable and understandable manner – in chronological order of birth, not in random order.”
He was specifically concerned that the Department of Health has not offered any testimony that the modern computerized data used to generate the short-form certificates of birth have been safeguarded from numerical or other data manipulation.
“To my amazement, all Nagamine offered the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office as proof Obama was born in Hawaii was a computer-generated list of birth registrations that was contained in a ring binder such that pages could be removed, altered and reinserted,” he noted.
“There was no level of security other than the closed rings of the binder holding the pages in place.”
Zullo added that the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office has obtained a signed affidavit from an individual who went to the Department of Health early in the public’s quest for the truth about the Obama birth certificate.
“That individual states that when he first went to the Hawaii Department of Health’s main office in Honolulu, Obama’s name did not appear in the computerized registration list in the ring binder, but when he went back approximately 14 days later to examine the same list, he was amazed Obama’s name suddenly was there.”
‘We didn’t make mistakes’
In July, WND in Hawaii conducted a telephone interview with Verna K. Lee, the local registrar who signed Obama’s birth certificate.
Lee told WND all the birth certificates received in a particular month were put in order according to date and time of birth and numbered sequentially at the end of the month.
The only exception was that birth certificates received from the other islands and from the one local office in Oahu were grouped separately. The purpose was to not under-represent births outside Honolulu or unattended births occurring at home, because only even-number birth certificates were reported to the federal government as mandated by the U.S. Office of Vital Statistics in 1961.
Birth certificates from the hospitals in Oahu were sent directly to the central office of the Hawaii Department of Health in Honolulu.
“The birth certificates were all numbered at the end of the month,” Lee said. “It was done by one person at the end of the month.”
When asked if there could be mistakes in numbering the birth certificates, Lee insisted birth certificates were numbered correctly on her watch.
“The birth certificates were kept together in a certain room until we numbered them all in a bunch at the end of the month,” she said. “We didn’t get them out of order, and we didn’t number them incorrectly, not in my time.”
Zullo contended the new revelations provided by Verna K. Lee attested to the care, control and method of sequential numbering of all long-form birth certificates in 1961.
“It is utterly impossible to have a birth certificate number so far out of sequence as the Sunahara birth certificate and to have that document accepted at a registrar’s office managed by Verna K. Lee,” he said. “The cover-up remains alive and well even today in the Hawaii Department of Health.”
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Take away justice, then, and what are governments but great bandit bands?
Saint Augustine, Civitas Dei (City of God,4.4)
WHAT DID THE EXPERT SAY ABOUT THE CURRENT FINANCIAL CRISIS?
* "I think it's difficult to find a fraud of this size on the U.S. court system in U.S. history," said Raymond Brescia, a visiting professor at Yale Law School who has written articles analyzing the role of courts in the financial crisis. "I can't think of one where you have literally tens of thousands of fraudulent documents filed in tens of thousands of cases."
Reuters (Jan 22, 2012)
* Foreclosure fraud: The homeowner nightmares continue
CNN (April 7, 2011)
* About 3 million homes have been repossessed since the housing boom ended in 2006… That number could balloon to about 6 million by 2013
Bloomberg (January 2011)
* "...a system in which only the little people have to obey the law, while the rich, and bankers especially, can cheat and defraud without consequences."
Prof Paul Krugman, MIT (2011)
WHAT DID THE EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE JUSTICE SYSTEM IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY, CALIFORNIA?
* "...judges tried and sentenced a staggering number of people for crimes they did not commit."
Prof David Burcham, Dean, Loyola Law School, LA (2001)
* "This is conduct associated with the most repressive dictators and police states... and judges must share responsibility when innocent people are convicted."
Prof Erwin Chemerinsky, Dean, Irvine Law School (2001)
* "Innocent people remain in prison"
* "...the LA Superior Court and the DA office, the two other parts of the justice system that the Blue Panel Report recommends must be investigated relative to the integrity of the system, have not produced any response that we know of..."
LAPD Blue Ribbon Review Panel Report (2006)
WHAT DID THE EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE JUSTICE SYSTEM IN CALIFORNIA?
* "...corruption of the courts and the legal profession and discrimination by law enforcement in California."
United Nations Human Rights Council Staff Report (2010)
WHAT DID THE EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE STATE COURTS IN THE UNITED STATES?
* "On July 26, 2010, Laurence Tribe, Senior Counsel for the United States Department of Justice, Access to Justice Initiative, delivered an important speech to the Conference of Chief Justices, challenging them to halt the disintegration of our state justice systems before they become indistinguishable from courts of third world nations."
Prof Laurence Tribe, Harvard Law School (2010), per National Defender Leadership Institute (2010)
WHAT DID THE EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE CONDITIONS IN THE PRISON IN MONROE COUNTY, TENESSEE?
* "What goes on there is more like gulags of centuries ago."
WHAT DID THE EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES?
* "More than 100 law professors have signed on to a letter released today that proposes congressional hearings and legislation aimed at fashioning "mandatory and enforceable" ethics rules for Supreme Court justices for the first time. The effort, coordinated by the liberal Alliance for Justice, was triggered by "recent media reports," the letter said, apparently referring to stories of meetings and other potential conflicts of interest involving Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas among others."
More than 100 law professors, as reported by the Blog of the Legal Times (February 2011)
WHAT DID CHIEF JUDGE OF THE US COURT OF APPEALS, 5TH CIRCUIT, SAY ABOUT THE US JUSTICE SYSTEM?
* "The American legal system has been corrupted almost beyond recognition..."
Chief Judge, US Court of Appeals, 5th Circuit, Edith Jones, speaking before the Federalist Society of Harvard Law School (February 2003)
WHAT DID THE CHAIR OF THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE SAY ABOUT THE US JUSTICE SYSTEM?
* In a speech in Georgetown University, Senator Leahy, Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee called for a "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" on the US Department of Justice.
Transcript of Senator Leahy speech (2009)
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