By William Skordelis:
December 15, 2009
Should an atheist be allowed to serve in public office? Some people in Asheville, North Carolina don’t believe that the councilman-elect, Cecil Bothwell, should be allowed to take his seat on the city council based entirely on the fact that he is an atheist.
Article 6, section 8 of North Carolina’s state Constitution says:
"The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God."
Bothwell’s political opponents are talking about the possibility of a lawsuit against the City of Asheville and the Board of Elections, should Bothwell be sworn into office.
There is one little problem for said God-fearing opponents, the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and the court precedents that have established the U.S. Constitution’s authority to trump state and local laws when conflicts occur.
First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
The very first sentence of the very first amendment to our constitution, the top of the list of what became known as the “Bill of Rights,” not only allows people to establish whatever form of religion they want and to be protected from any governmental “prohibiting the free exercise therof,” it also prohibits government from establishing any official religion. By not being permitted to form an “official religion,” likewise the government cannot place any religious requirements on a government post.
But there’s more, pesky, federalist constitutional meddling that’s bad news for Bothwell’s opponents, Article VI of the U.S. Constitution which says:
"No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
There is nothing more fundamental than our right to free speech. And free speech is linked to the freedom of religion, for or against, because belief and practice of a religious doctrine are forms of personal expression which cannot be forced upon or denied by government. To challenge that fundamental right in court, based on the archaic wording of a state constitution, and how those words relate to the case of Councilman Cecil Bothwell would be frivolous. Just as government cannot deny a Jew, or a Muslim, or even a Catholic from serving office, we cannot deny the right of an atheist to serve elected office.
The more important question this case brings forward, is whether an atheist could ever and if elected, should ever be permitted to be President of the United States? Could such a thing occur? In the current state of politics where the entire conservative agenda is written by evangelicals, and they begat the Right-Wing media, and if any atheist candidate were to even remotely show signs of seriously competing for a nomination of a major party for the presidency, the Far Right would send out a swarm of locusts with leaflets and viral poison and pestilence to stamp out the evil pretender. It would be almost as impossible as electing an African-American.
Should an atheist like Cecil Bothwell be permitted to serve as president? The Bill of Rights says yes, and the king of laws always trumps the jokers who think otherwise.
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The constituents in his district can take his faith or lack there of into question and if they so wish to not vote for him based entirely on that, then that is their perogative. However, it would appear that the voting is done, and a decision rendered, and as such the state does not have any authority to deny him his elected seat meerly on the basis of a lack of a belief in a deity.
Posted Dec-15-2009 Bymdscorpio71 (1118.52) 
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It's actually in the NC Constitution...in violation of the US Constitution...and yet no one has challenged it and gotten that removed from the State document...imagine...SEVEN states IN AMERICA....have restrictions (in their State Constitutions) prohibiting atheist from serving in public office...how is that even possible or thinkable in this day and age....oh wait...wait...I know!! Conservatism...as real an impediment to "free speech", "freedom of religion" and the 4th and 5 More..
Posted Dec-15-2009 ByLoPull (506.62) 
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Are you just as appauled by the states who make laws in direct violation of the Second Amendment?
Posted Dec-15-2009 Bymdscorpio71 (1118.52) 
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The laws have been part of their Constitutions for a long time...the difference is that it could affect someone who doesn't beieve "the right way" (Mormons, Buddhist or Muslims)...not just "unbelievers".
It will take time...but those laws will be challenged and stricken from their Constitutions...the sad thing...Conservatives think this is a GREAT amendment to those very same Constitutions...and THAT thinking is the real danger to America...
Think as they think, believe as More..
Posted Dec-15-2009 ByLoPull (506.62) 
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You wrote alot of words - too bad none of them answered my question.
Posted Dec-15-2009 Bymdscorpio71 (1118.52) 
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The simple answer...."religion" is EXCLUDED by the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION (although in HIS backward ass State...they still think they can challenge the US Constitution) as a reason to "disqualify" an elected or candidate.
In this case...HE was ELECTED..and CONSERVATIVE, INCLUSIVE, "WE DON'T HATE" or DISCRIMINATE (as long as YOU are ONE OF US) Conservative Americans are CHALLENGING his ELECTION because HE is an atheist...you know in AMErICA...where FREEDOM OF RELIGI More..
Posted Dec-15-2009 ByLoPull (506.62) 
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Supremecy clause plus Article VI of the US Const.
There is no question barring him from serving is illegal. The end.
Posted Dec-15-2009 ByaaJax (539.38) aaJax Send Message
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Regrissive backwater morons.
Posted Dec-15-2009 ByZardoz003 (1569.42) 
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On the contrary, Asheville NC is an island of blue elightenment in a sea of red sensibility.
Posted Dec-15-2009 Bysprunk (208.86) sprunk Send Message
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The Constitution was originally written to limit only the Federal government, not the states. However, since that time the bill of rights has been applied to the states. If we're going to hold the the states to that standard, then this guy absolutely has the right to serve, can cannot be disqualified on the basis of his atheism.
Then, to be consistent, the 2nd amendment must also be applied to state and local laws.
Posted Dec-15-2009 Byvicsemprini (1244.88) vicsemprini View Channel Send Message
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Agreed.
Posted Dec-15-2009 ByOneEleven111 (288.64) 
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Its up to the voters if they want him or not, I wouldnt care myself as long as he serves the people and does his job.
Posted Dec-15-2009 Byhlabrake (677.44) hlabrake View Channel Send Message
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I think the real story here is the opposition leaning towards a law suite. Only a power hungry narcisist would push such an essoteric antiquated and backwards law. That is where I'd focus my attention if I was a journalist.
Posted Dec-15-2009 ByZardoz003 (1569.42) 
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Good point. I'll have to follow this story closely. It'll be interesting to hear what other arguments they have, aside from the state level constitutional conflict.
And there are six other states, mine being one of them, that have similar laws. One day at a time, it'll change:)
Posted Dec-15-2009 ByOneEleven111 (288.64) 
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Well they must have known he was an Athiest before he won office, or did he lie, this is NC, Bible belt country. Good people. So I guess if he didnt lie that a majority of north Carolina Voters decided a man who who repudiated the Gospel so many of us hold sacred was best to rule them. Jesus called you lambs, not sheep, its a metaphor, and it doesn't mean find the nastiest wolf to rule you so you'll see Jesus even sooner? When are people gonna start electing good solid local people, everyone More..
Posted Dec-15-2009 Bynobodyreally (47.54) nobodyreally Send Message
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Good comment.
Posted Dec-15-2009 ByOneEleven111 (288.64) 
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ONLY atheists should be allowed to hold office.
Posted Dec-15-2009 Bydrivertyler (130.02) drivertyler View Channel Send Message
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hear hear!
Posted Dec-16-2009 ByHamstenator (67.20) 
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As a Athiest, does this give me the right than to not vote for anybody in political positions because they are religious? I mean to me, if I was electing somebody like the President of the United States. I would not like somebody who believed in a end of the world, rapture, etc to be holding the button that launches nukes. I of course don't think anybody is that idiotic, however can still use it as a excuse.
Religious people need to get there head of there ass and start getting some tolerance. More..
Posted Dec-15-2009 ByCanadian4206 (62.92) Canadian4206 View Channel Send Message
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"Should an atheist councilman in NC be allowed to serve public office? "
Should we trust people who believe an invisible man in the sky designed everything on earth or should we trust people who use their brains and logic to arrive at a course of action?
Now, let me think....
Posted Dec-15-2009 By24038462 (2048.94) 
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how DARE you use intelligence and common sense in a discussion about religion.....
Posted Dec-16-2009 Bytrakker (20.80) 
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http://www.wral.com/news/political/page/3751270/
*See Buncombe County, in the western part of the state.
Posted Dec-15-2009 Bysprunk (208.86) sprunk Send Message
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Short answer? Yes. There is no requirement of faith for public office.
Posted Dec-15-2009 Bynicoal (47.88) nicoal View Channel Send Message
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The rules apply to everybody.
Cope with it.
Posted Dec-15-2009 Bysprunk (208.86) sprunk Send Message
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We prefer the term "Nontheist". :o)
Posted Dec-15-2009 Byosudeltau (30.78) osudeltau View Channel Send Message
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Speak for yourself. I'm an Atheist
Posted Dec-15-2009 ByMotoTiller (16.28) MotoTiller View Channel Send Message
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The voters should take that into consideration before they vote, and not after the fact. The US Constitution is right on this one.
Posted Dec-15-2009 ByArmorer_SS88 (20.32) 
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The Constitution of The United States of America is ALWAYS RIGHT. IT IS MY GOSPEL. I BELONG TO THE CHURCH OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS. AT MY CHURCH WE YELL. A LOT. WE CUSS TOO. WE FEAR NOTHING BECAUSE WE ARE THE APOCOLYPSE. WE MAY GIVE OUR HEARTS TO JESUS, MOHAMMED, BUDDAH, OR LITTLE SUZIE ROTTENCROTCH BACK ON THE BLOCK, BUT OUR ASS BELONGS TO MOTHER GREEN!
PRAISE CHESTY, AND PASS THE AMMO!
Posted Dec-16-2009 Bytrakker (20.80) 
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All public officials should be agnostic.
Posted Dec-15-2009 ByAutonomous (86.60) 
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