Syria- Detailed Account of Syrian Shooting Down Turkish F-4 Phantom
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The RF-4E was accompanied by an electronic signal intelligence CASA 235
aircraft which remained outside of Syrian airspace while the RF-4E was
making runs in and out of Syrian airspace in an effort to get the
Syrians to activate their air defense systems so that electronic
intelligence could be gathered. The Turkish government is blatantly lying and trying to cover up what happened to save face. The fact is
the RF-4E was not shot down by a SAM but by anti aircraft artillery
(AAA) which means it was flying close to shore and flying low. Had the
Syrians launched a SAM as the Turkish government is claiming, not only
would it have showed up on Turkish land based radar but also on the
RF-4E's onboard warning system and there would at least be radio chatter
from the pilot and evidence of evasive action, none of that exists!
Added: Jun-27-2012 Occurred On: Jun-27-2012
By: nutsflipped
In: World News
Tags: Syria, Turkey, Turkish, F4, F-4, Phantom, Pantsir, shot, down, Latakia,
Location: Syria (load item map)
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By: nutsflipped
In: World News
Tags: Syria, Turkey, Turkish, F4, F-4, Phantom, Pantsir, shot, down, Latakia,
Location: Syria (load item map)
Marked as: approved
Views: 3357 | Comments: 42 | Votes: 1 | Favorites: 1 | Shared: 10 | Updates: 0 | Times used in channels: 3
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If necessary, Nato will use this and the next incident as a pretext to intervene without the permission of the Security Council
Posted Jun-28-2012 Bymils (1.60) 
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of course Turkey is lying.
They were spying. An act of war
Posted Jun-28-2012 Bythe_MEK (680.80) 
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and we are supposed to believe something some guy makes on his home computer?
Posted Jun-27-2012 Byqwerty4242 (1139.90) qwerty4242 View Channel Send Message
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@qwerty4242 just like you believe everything made on Fox news' computer.
Posted Jun-28-2012 Bynutsflipped (2001.10) 
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Yep, I place my trust in a cartoon with nationalist music in the background.
Posted Jun-27-2012 Byplokiju (881.20) 
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Turkey deserved to get shot down. They can fuck off back to Turkey and stop flying in Syria.
Posted Jun-29-2012 Bygreenylake (167.20) 
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Anti-aircraft battery? If I remember correctly in the vid that was proposed to be that of the shoot down in which no jet was seen,the only gunfire I heard was that of small arms coming from the beach.
Posted Jun-27-2012 Bygonehuntin (2444.56) 
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@gonehuntin that was bigger then small arms.. I didn't see where it was coming from or what it was shooting at.. or if it was even there (editing added sound effects)
Posted Jun-27-2012 ByAariss (382.22) 
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@Aariss
If you're talking about the video for this thread, that was a random edit. Im speaking of a different vid from a day or so ago. Im guessing it was from the beach area or the hill above in the other vid. Sure sounded like small arms to me.
Posted Jun-27-2012 Bygonehuntin (2444.56) 
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@gonehuntin yeah i know the one you are talking about and that was the one i was referring to. it was AA but i couldn't tell if that was added in and they guys on the beach were just cheering.
Posted Jun-27-2012 ByAariss (382.22) 
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@gonehuntin can you give us the link of that vid?
Posted Jun-28-2012 Bynutsflipped (2001.10) 
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@nutsflipped
I'll try to find it this evening.
Posted Jun-28-2012 Bygonehuntin (2444.56) 
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dont look too much state television. It's one sided, the news you WANT to hear.
Plane shot 1km from beach at a altitude of 100m and crashes 10km off beach, must be a very powerfull artillery!
i dont believe the Turkish explanation, but this is really bullsh*t.
Posted Jun-29-2012 Bymanitaci (25.92) manitaci View Channel Send Message
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The Russian anthem made me chuckle.
Posted Jun-27-2012 ByWolfBite120 (713.30) 
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See. I knew the moment i saw him zig h knew he should have zagged.
Posted Jun-27-2012 Byelmerfudd13 (2100.00) 
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What a mess they got going on over there.
Posted Jun-27-2012 Byshoppingcartsensei (79.00) 
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easy to prove this .. if it was shot down with a missile, it could have been outside Syrian airspace.. if the wreckage shows bullet holes.. well AA doesn't have 12km range so.. it was inside Syria.
Posted Jun-27-2012 ByAariss (382.22) 
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@Aariss yes correct, anyway, witness say it was ack ack and there is a video of the engagement I am trying to locate.
Posted Jun-28-2012 Bynutsflipped (2001.10) 
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@nutsflipped if it's the one from the beach it proves nothing and you can't see anything and the audio could have been added or it could be library footage
Posted Jun-28-2012 ByAariss (382.22) 
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The Official Syrian report says the aircraft was engaged by anti-aircraft guns, not missiles.
Posted Jun-28-2012 ByDEADBEEF (4149.46) 
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@DEADBEEF Anti-aircraft gun of the Pantsir system.
Posted Jun-28-2012 Bynutsflipped (2001.10) 
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@nutsflipped
What's your source. My source is SANA and it specifically says machinegun and no radar.
http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2012/06/26/427549.htm
Posted Jun-28-2012 ByDEADBEEF (4149.46) 
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@DEADBEEF the Syrian ministry of information is screwing up again. They totally mishandled the mig-21 story.
"Makdessi affirmed that the weapon used in repelling this violation of Syrian airspace was anti-aircraft artillery firing 23.57 rounds stationed on Syrian beaches, hitting the aircraft directly, adding that the aircraft was seen heading left afterwards and crashing in Syrian territorial waters."
What's a "23.57 round"?
I tell you the story as it is. Raw and no propag More..
Posted Jun-28-2012 Bynutsflipped (2001.10) 
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@nutsflipped "Heading left"? Are they driving a car or an airplane. Take a left on the next cloud bank?
Posted Jun-28-2012 Bynutsflipped (2001.10) 
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@nutsflipped
I'll give them the benefit of a doubt on 23.57.
They were certainly referring to the ZU23-2 AA cannon which has a 23mm nominal calibre, but may well be 23.57mm if you take into account the driving band on the ammunition.
Otherwise I agree, SANA sounds like a 1950s Soviet style news bureau. Their phrasing is awful.
Where did you see the Pantsir reference?
Posted Jun-28-2012 ByDEADBEEF (4149.46) 
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Is It True that this is disputed area.
Posted Jun-28-2012 Bystaple70 (33.20) 
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There was a comment on infowars.com about the QF-4 a drone based on a F4 Phantom... here's a link :
http://www.fencecheck.com/content/index.php?title=The_Final_Mission:_The_USAF%92s_QF-4_Target_Drones
Posted Jun-28-2012 ByFuite_En_Direct (11.90) 
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@Fuite_En_Direct wow, impressive.
Posted Jun-28-2012 Bynutsflipped (2001.10) 
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I support Turkey, not Assad...but this story seems very plausible.
Posted Jun-28-2012 Bydusselkamp (461.16) 
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