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In the past 18 months, the designer drug known colloquially as "bath salts" has been touted in the media as the latest threat to melt a generation of teenagers' minds. The mass-marketed fear comes complete with anecdotal horror stories of people's behavior under the drug's influence, each more disturbing than the last, and the hysteria reached its crescendo this week when bath salts were blamed for a Miami man's turn as a face-eating cannibal. But is this drug really as scary as it's being reported, or are we just in the midst of yet another societal panic, fueled by sensationalized accounts of a substance about which we still know very little? To find out, we found several people who have ingested bath salts and were willing to share their stories.
"Bath salts" (known alternately as "plant food" or "meow meow") are sold in powder form that can be eaten, snorted, smoked, or injected. The street names don't describe one specific drug, but rather could refer to either mephedrone (a synthetic stimulant) or methylenedioxypyrovalerone (known as MDPV, a stimulant and psychoactive drug). Each of these purports to produce effects similar to the euphoria of MDMA (Ecstasy) and the alertness of cocaine or amphetamines. They are not hallucinogens. Although the drugs were first developed in 1929 and 1969 respectively, they didn't become popular for recreational use until around 2004, and didn't come to mainstream attention until 2011, so little is known about long-term use. However, a recent study published in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology found that the designer drugs have a similar affect on the brain as Ecstasy, but without the link to long-term depletion of serotonin that's associated with MDMA. So if scientific studies show that bath salts are less harmful to the brain than MDMA, why are people seemingly flipping the fuck out?
In the past year, the media has reported on several incidences of bizarre, violent, and disturbing behavior, attributing these psychotic episodes to bath salts. (A cross-dressing goat killer, a priest-stabber, a man who believed he was being chased by electricity, a festive trespasser, a man who believed his 5-year-old was "possessed," etc.) Most recently—and most shockingly—is the story of Miami man Rudy Eugene who stripped naked in public and then attacked a homeless man, eating part of his face. It has been widely reported that Eugene was high on bath salts. But that's just a theory by law enforcement officials.
The greatest allure of bath salts was simply the ease with which one could buy them — they were legal, sold in head shops and gas stations with the disclaimer that they were "not for human consumption." But Florida, where the attack occurred, banned the drug in early 2011, and the DEA temporarily banned the drug nationwide in October 2011, pending further study. If Eugene had been taking bath salts, it's possible that he bought the drug online. Either way, it will take weeks before Eugene's toxicology reports confirm what, if anything, was in his system, but at this point the results don't really matter: People are terrified that bath salts will ruin our world by turning half of us into violent monsters and the other half into their victims.
There are elements of this hysteria over bath salts that are similar to the horror stories and myths that were used as scare tactics against LSD, and marijuana before that. Sure, every drug has its danger, but if people are really choosing to do bath salts, then it must also have some sort of benefit, like it's fun or something. Right?
Lex Pelger, a scientist and writer who is working on a book about "the history of psychoactive compounds" has experimented with bath salts. He says that he uses stimulants to help him write and that "they're tools like every other material, both dangerous and helpful." According to Pelger, he's never had any "visuals" or hallucinations while on the drug and believes that some of the reports in the news are scare tactics that aren't truly representative of the typical experience.
"For every story of someone going crazy, there are thousands of [people] who just had fun for a few hours on the weekend and maybe got laid," he said, pointing to studies that show that alcohol is still the most harmful drug around.
So what is making people act so bizarrely on the drug? Pelger suggests sleep deprivation—a side effect of taking too much of the drug—is what contributes to some of the psychosis that is being reported. Or it could be an undiagnosed psychological disorder. An episode of the show Intervention showed a man's bizarre behavior (and "demon hunting") while using bath salts, but it was later revealed that he suffered from schizophrenia.
Of the several people — who asked to remain anonymous — we spoke to who had tried bath salts, we learned that there are some common themes:
* Almost everyone used the drug as a concentration or study aid.
* The most attractive aspect was its cheapness and availability.
* It wasn't that strong.
That last point is where some people get in trouble. Because the drug has been described as "MDMA-lite," people feel mild waves of euphoria after taking the drug. Because it's so new and nobody is quite sure of the proper dosage (and because you get so much for your money), people tend to take more than they should, and re-dose shortly after the initial ingestion, thinking they will increase the effects. Instead, they find themselves regretting their decision. One woman told us of her week-long experiment with MDPV:
Quote:Not having a milligram scale, we used a less accurate one and kinda eyeballed it, snorted, went to the park and it worked how I had expected it too. The effects were mild stimulant. I was able to eat, concentrate, do stuff normally but more energetic.
The next afternoon I am kinda crabby and tired…and convinced myself that a small bit will wake me up and make me happy again. And then things started to get weird. I lost my ability to eat or sleep that night and then got caught up in a yo-yo cycle: Not much sleep, way tired, take more the next morning. This went on for like five days and I became increasingly sleep-deprived and incredibly shaky. Like a visible tremor in my hands and stuff, more and more anxiety and increasing amounts of paranoia. I ended up getting Xanax from a friend to calm me down. Nothing worked. I could not sleep at all, took more in the mornings because I could not miss work, and became increasingly paranoid that someone was watching me in my apartment, and started to think something was in the shadows moving on the wall (found out shadow people seem to be a specific delusion a lot people abusing MDPV seem to share), and it is so hard to explain, but it was horrifying. It's like, if i didn't look close enough and I relaxed all of a sudden I was going to be face to face with something that was going to scare the absolute shit out of me. I started staring at my cat to help gauge its reaction/expressions to hopefully alert me when this *thing* was actually there in the house.I think the majority of bad effects and incidents…are caused by unmitigated redosing and sleep deprivation. If these drugs were administered once, and not touched again until they were completely removed from the body there would not be these crazy problems, but that rarely happens.
Erowid, a site that documents "the complex relationship between humans & psychoactives" has a number of user-submitted experiences on MDPV—sharing the amount they've ingested and the time that has lapsed—that are pretty illuminating. Some are positive, some are negative. The negative experiences, however, all involve a considerable amount of re-dosing and lack of sleep. Essentially, these are binges that go on for at least three days, which is when the hallucinations begin to kick in for some people:
Quote:After I had finished off the gram, which was at the three day point, I started having very vivid hallucinations of people being in my house who refused to leave. These people were characters from the TV show Oz, in particular Vern Schillinger and his son Hank. Anyone who has seen the show will know what kind of guy this is, and what kind of mocking smile he has. I was extremely frightened and panicked.Another man documented the three-day binge he experienced with his friend and his friend's girlfriend, which started out rather pleasant:
Quote:It hit me in about 30 minutes. I didn't feel any come up, I just noticed I was all of the sudden up. It was extremely pleasent, no rush like Cocaine, and I remember thinking that's great and absolutely no problem. That means I won't be chasing some elusive feeling of pleasure that can never be felt again. It affects me likeRitalin and Drew agrees with this list: hyperfocus, increased vigilance, outstanding memory recall and utilization, adept mental agility, and enhanced creative expression in very readable writing. It's excellent for studying and engaging in social bonding, for both of us.But then they decided to re-dose and re-dose again and then smoke the rest of it. The girlfriend had a psychotic meltdown, while the other two just felt horrible:
Quote:She became acutely psychotic, paranoid and delusional in the 15-30 min after her dose. Drew and I suffered the worst stimulant side effects of our life for about an hour. The best I can do when my mask-the-feeling meds don't cover all side effects up is try to ignore them. Focus on something else. We took 20mg of Promethazine and 2 tabs of 15mg Tylenol 3's. There was nearly an hour straight of Tachycardia with elevated blood pressure. Feeling my heart pound in my chest sucks. There was the most uncomfortable and intense feelings of: tense chest and torso, coarsing and sinewy feeling along every nerve system in my body, bruxism, elevated body temperature, twitchy eyes, seeing spots, bouts of watery eyes, malaise and general unease, racing thoughts, incoherent and rambling speech and scattered thought processess, not psychotic or delusional though, but more would have put us close to it.Those who don't re-dose, however, still felt the effects of a comedown that wasn't worth the initial high:
Quote:The effects come on noticeably but light. It is sort of like a low dose of MDMA. However, I actually don't feel like talking to other people, so for me it doesn't seem that much of a social drug. It inspired me to get some work done in my garden which required a trip to a Home Depot. I had no trouble riding my motorcycle for the 40-minute round trip, but I felt somewhat standoffish when having to deal with the store clerks. Back at home, I enjoyed the day of planting, but there was a bit of angst forming around the edges. Increasingly, I felt the fast approach of a strong come-down that I could tell was going to leave me substantially lower than the base state I started out the day at. I did not intend to redose, so I got to experience that crappy low, which felt as though it was worse than the mild high I had gotten in exchange.The overall verdict? Bath salts will most likely not put you on a violent cannibal rampage. In most instances people will just get a decent study aid, a little bit of energy and some mild euphoria followed by a headache. The potential is there for paranoid delusions for those who compulsively abuse the drug. The biggest danger, perhaps, is that the drug's euphoric properties are weak enough to trick people into doing more, and then doing more, and then doing more, and then demon hunting. But for the most part, in those worst case scenarios, people on bath salts are literally afraid of their own shadows, and being so preoccupied with being chased by monsters, it's not that likely that they'll become one.
Tracie Egan Morrissey
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Quote:Ed. note: My partner interviewed for this and is the first large quote block. IT was so funny when she blurted it out. She was worried I was going to read it and recognize her story, which I would have. We were pretty happy about the way the article turned out, I think a pretty reasonable look at the risks of MDPV.
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Posted Jun-24-2012 ByWowzers1 (132.04) 
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I would agree but I love LSD.
Posted Jun-24-2012 Byhorny devil (217.10) 
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I've only dealt with one bath salt user and she was nude throwing bricks at her neighbors house while screaming in gibberish. That was way before the zombie media rave (a little over a year ago). Regardless of what a user thinks it's dangerous effects massively out weigh the desired ones.
Feel free to do what you want.
Posted Jun-23-2012 ByWingSP117 (1288.16) 
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The shit is poison. I went to a Forensics seminar several months ago put out by the Alabama State Medical Forensics Lab,Criminal Division. They were showing some pretty nasty evidence and told us that these "Bath Salts" were the newest danger. One of the things they brought up was it's availability to youth and the drugs different effects on some people.Since it was so new, they really didn't have much to work with. According to them at the time, it's drugs like bath salts More..
Posted Jun-24-2012 ByFire37Rescue (12181.00) 
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@Fire37Rescue Yeah, I dealt with comments like this in one of my uploads about bath salts. I wouldn't waste too much time trying to discuss rationally with users/ sympathizers.
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@WingSP117 How do you know? You could have dealt with many without knowing it.
Posted Jun-24-2012 Bywellybub (347.28) 
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@Fire37Rescue They said the standard scare mongering stuff. "We don't know how bad it is, but we know we are worried about it". They are worried about drugs, period. The fact that people can make it at home is worrying to them, because it's hard to crack down on. No evidence there that it is "poison" exactly, but I guess it might be.
However, advice from drug users is not medical advice, it is just information. The post provides information fmor poeple who actualyl know what More..
Posted Jun-24-2012 Bywellybub (347.28) 
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Mind altering drug that effects users in differnt ways much as LSD, PCP and a list of others. Insane to even attempt to justify its use as a drug.
Posted Jun-24-2012 ByGradySizematters (475.72) 
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LSD and mushrooms are about the only reliable treatments for alcoholics. One study I saw had 80% quit rate! People see the side of what they are doing from another perspective and realize how stupid they have been.
Posted Jun-24-2012 ByN4CR (943.40) 
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@N4CR yeah man. if i could take mushrooms once every two months, i would quit every other drugs including pot.
Posted Jun-24-2012 Bymaxwellthebest (759.60) 
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Now that's one hell of a fascinating point, thanks! That said, with similar intervals and the right pot + mindset, one could possibly achieve similar results.
Posted Jun-25-2012 ByN4CR (943.40) 
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@N4CR true but i think you might have to just bake it into something to make it really profound
Posted Jun-25-2012 Bymaxwellthebest (759.60) 
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Very good point, or various methods. Terrence McKenna was a big fan of this method.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByN4CR (943.40) 
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Yo, a dude chowed down on another dudes face on this shit!
...and not even like an attractive sanitary maw at that! LMAO!
Posted Jun-24-2012 Bykamotz (201.46) kamotz View Channel Send Message
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@kamotz That has not been established. It has been suggested, but not proven.
Posted Jun-24-2012 Bywellybub (347.28) 
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@wellybub I agree, just government funded panic inducing media report to scare people into thinking drugs turn innocent law abiding citizens into criminals. A criminal is just alot more brazen and carless when they use drugs. I have no Idea how many times or varieties and combinations of drugs I have used over the years on a recreational basis with not one arrest or face eaten. I think this holds true for most drug users, you only hear about the Nut Jobs who take this shit because it serves the More..
Posted Nov-19-2012 ByGoochisms (49.20) Goochisms View Channel Send Message
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The DEA has put an emergency immediate ban on that drug for quite awhile now.The problem is the outlets that bought major amounts of this stuff to sell retail have not volunteered the product to law enforcement because of revenue loss.. Instead it gets sold under the counter to trusted patrons and should be held equally accountable for peoples actions when under the influence of this drug. I'm all for decrim of soft drugs but this stuff is poison...
Posted Jun-24-2012 ByMuscledoctor (236.38) 
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@Muscledoctor bodegas by my house still sells it OTC
Posted Jun-24-2012 Byhotmess (69.30) 
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@Muscledoctor yup, at my local headshop, i am well known so i get access to behind the counter hidden in a drawer stuff. i never tried bath salts but ive smoked the equally dangerous synthetic pot.
Posted Jun-24-2012 Bymaxwellthebest (759.60) 
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Great article!
Posted Jun-24-2012 BySTRONGBLOKE (20.10) 
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So as soon as you start coming down, you realize it and want to do more to get the high again? And it relies on willpower not to do this? Yeah, druggies aren't really known for having willpower when it's time to get high.
Posted Jun-24-2012 ByTexan_in_China (98.20) 
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@Texan_in_China exactly right. i could see this happening to me if i were even remotely into stimulants.
Posted Jun-24-2012 Bymaxwellthebest (759.60) 
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We had our first verified death to Bath Salts two weeks ago here in my Fire District in NW Florida.Gal was long dead before we arrived.
Posted Jun-23-2012 ByFire37Rescue (12181.00) 
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How many dead people can you blame on pot? How many dead people can you blame on booze?
Posted Jun-24-2012 Byzindo (787.32) zindo View Channel Send Message
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on pot? can't think of any. Booze, plenty. Other drugs including prescription meds, a shitpot full.
Not sure I get your point unless you're trying to equate numbers and availability compared other deadly substances. I think it's a shitty point if so. Drinking Draino will surely kill you, but the numbers of deaths compared to it and other substances would be comparatively low statistically.
Statistically, the deaths attributed to Draino is much lower than alcohol.
Statistics are like bik More..
Posted Jun-24-2012 ByFire37Rescue (12181.00) 
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I guess where you live IQ is not needed to be a first responder.
Go drink your draino.
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Ha!
Try the bath salts, they're really something!
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Enjoy your draino. I can TD too dip shit.
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when you lose 3 or 4 nights sleep, bad shit will happen if your on drugs or not, adding bath salts too the lack of sleep and i bet they see demons....
fuck that shit.
Posted Jun-24-2012 Byspliffy1966 (667.08) spliffy1966 View Channel Send Message
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amazing, remarkably insightful and objective description of a drug experience, like a pro athlete describing a game. well done, timely
Posted Jun-24-2012 Bychronecro (180.70) 
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Thanks for the info.
The hysteria was getting a bit old.
Posted Jun-24-2012 ByTongueboy (3089.24) Tongueboy View Channel Send Message
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Interesting read. Not my cup of tea anymore, but I enjoy well written accounts of these types of adventures.
Posted Jun-24-2012 ByTOPDECK (130.30) 
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Mdpv is widely available from chinese suppliers in bulk quantities, look out for a-pvp (which isn't scheduled by the DEA) and is widely marketed as a safe alternative to "super coke" (mdpv)
Posted Jun-24-2012 Byhotmess (69.30) 
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People smoke crack cocaine (or meth, heroin, PCP, whatever) to the point of destroying their lives. Constantly.
So arguing that a drug is beneficial simply because people do it is, well, not rational (just as self-destruction is not rational). It's a rationalization.
I would imagine that the best case scenario for bath salts is you act like an idiot for a couple of hours, feel like shit after, and then go about your life. If the worst case is even close to the situations that have been de More..
Posted Jun-24-2012 Bybaiien314159 (12.34) 
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Interesting post Maxwell.
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@jfm8561 thanks fellow leaker
Posted Jun-24-2012 Bymaxwellthebest (759.60) 
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