http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/rumor-confirmed-murdered-agent-terry-armed-with-beanbag-rounds

Rumor confirmed: Murdered agent Terry armed with beanbag rounds

* March 3rd, 2011 1:24 pm ET

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“Files add some clarity to Terry's death,” The Arizona Daily Star is reporting. “Agents used beanbags against migrants, who replied with gunfire.”

This corroborates a rumor that has been widely circulating since the mid-December shootout, when Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was fatally wounded in Peck’s Canyon after encountering armed illegal immigrants who would not obey commands to drop their weapons.

A key point is highlighted in this new report:

The Terry family remains upset about allegations that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowed a gun smuggler it was investigating to purchase and smuggle into Mexico the weapons used in the shootout in which Terry died. The Justice Department has denied the allegations, but U.S. Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, continues to insist on the validity of the claims.

Another key point remains unresolved. The autopsy has shown “Terry was shot once in the lower back, about 29 inches down from the right shoulder…The bullet found inside his body was one used with AK-47s...”

So of course this means the government also knows which gun was used to kill Agent Terry. That the Justice Department refuses, as yet, to confirm that points to the same intentional stonewalling that kept the beanbag information suppressed for so long.

Officials who do not want information about the circumstances of Agent Terry’s death and about wider “Project Gunwalker”* allegations to come to light are engaging in a cover up. That makes redoubled efforts by Senator Grassley of utmost importance. Reports indicate the Department of Justice missed the Feb. 23 deadline he gave them to begin producing documents, and this correspondent left a voice mail with Grassley’s press secretary seeking confirmation of that.

This also highlights the critical need for Rep. Darrell Issa to initiate parallel oversight hearings in the House. It is clear ATF management and their DOJ handlers have no intention of producing information unless it is dragged out of them.

Let the dragging begin.

Also see:

* A journalist’s guide to ‘Project Gunwalker' for a complete list with links of independent investigative reporting and commentary done to date by Sipsey Street Irregulars and Gun Rights Examiner.

*Note to newcomers to this story: “Project Gunrunner” is the name ATF assigned to its Southwest Border Initiative to interdict gun smuggling to Mexico. “Project Gunwalker” is the name I assigned to the scandal after allegations by agents that monitored guns were allowed to fall into criminal hands on both sides of the border through a surveillance process termed “walking” surfaced.

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http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/03/robert-farago/ttag-live-webchat-tonight-8pm-est-david-codrea-on-atf-gunwalker-scandal/

The Truth About Guns has been following the ATF’s Gunwalker Scandal for some time. That’s the name given by Gun Rights Examiner writer David Codrea to the stink surrounding the revelation that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (and Really Big Fires) allowed smugglers to purchase guns in the United States—and failed to intervene in their journey down the so-called Iron River to Mexico. (Codrea was riffing on the name of the ATF’s interdiction efforts: Project Gunrunner.) The scandal got serious when smugglers used one of those guns to murder U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Allegations of an ATF coverup ensued. And now we learn that Mexican drug thugs used another Gunwalker gun to murder ICE Special Agent Zapata. Time to sort out who did what when, who knew what when, and what’s going to happen now.


FOIA received

ATF has received the Freedom of Information Act request I sent them on Feb. 16. Why they did not even receive it until Feb. 28 is a curiosity I have no answer for. They have 20 business days to respond from their dater of receipt. So we should see something by the end of this month.

We should…

See the sidebar of this column for the signed copy of the USPS Return Receipt.
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Thursday March 3, 2011
8:00


Robert Farago:
OK I'd like to welcome David to our live chat. There's a lot to discuss....
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:00 Robert Farago
8:00


Brad Kozak:
welcome to TTAG!
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:00 Brad Kozak
8:00


david codrea:
Thanks, let's go!
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:00 david codrea
8:00


Robert Farago:
Let's start with the CBS report
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:00 Robert Farago
8:00


Robert Farago:
Do you feel vindicated?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:00 Robert Farago
8:01


david codrea:
Sharyl Attkisson did another great job You bet Mike and I feel vindicated.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:01 david codrea
8:01


[Comment From Mr MagMr Mag: ]
Was ATF agent on CBS a curently active agent?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:01 Mr Mag
8:01


david codrea:
That's my understanding
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:01 david codrea
8:01


Brad Kozak:
How high in the administration do you think the cover-up will reach?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:01 Brad Kozak
8:02


david codrea:
I will not be surprised to see an involvement from Holder, and also some distancing from madam Clinton
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:02 david codrea
8:02


[Comment From RalphRalph: ]
David, nobody was covering this story while you and others in the blogosphere were all over it. What took the MSM so long?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:02 Ralph
8:03


[Comment From Mr MagMr Mag: ]
Will Grassley be muzzled by Ried, and thus force Issa to take the lead?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:03 Mr Mag
8:03


Brad Kozak:
Do you think Chicago's Mayor-Elect, Rahm Emmanuel, will be implicated?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:03 Brad Kozak
8:03


david codrea:
Actually, it was just Mike Vanderboegh and myself for the longest time. Many "gunbloggers" have still not covered it--in re what has taken so long, all I can say is we have been banging pots and pans for months now--I've actually been calling for ATF oversight hearings for years--ever since I became aware of cleanupatf.org
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:03 david codrea
8:04


david codrea:
I have no info on Emmanuel
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:04 david codrea
8:04


david codrea:
Grassley can't be muzzled by Reid--Leahy and some of the other Judiciary Committee folks may not like it, but I don't think anyone is going to muzzle Grassley
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:04 david codrea
8:05


[Comment From Mr MagMr Mag: ]
I would loved to have been a fly on the wall in the White House with Calderon and Obama
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:05 Mr Mag
8:05


Robert Farago:
How many guns do you think the ATF "enabled" all told?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:05 Robert Farago
8:05


david codrea:
In re Issa, we have been working on him from several angles--we need help in terms of people contacting him
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:05 david codrea
8:06


david codrea:
Thousands
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:06 david codrea
8:06


[Comment From VigilantisVigilantis: ]
Is there any concrete information on the BATFE's motivation in allowing these weapons to get into the hands of unsavory characters?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:06 Vigilantis
8:06


david codrea:
Our sources tell us to pad numbers to justify money and new powers like the 2-long gun temporary emergency registration ploy
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:06 david codrea
8:06


Brad Kozak:
Do you think that Napalitano will have to fall on her sword to save the Obama Administration? And do you think that (her hundreds of pounds of) flesh will be enough to stay the howls of protest from the MSM, once they smell blood in the water?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:06 Brad Kozak
8:07


david codrea:
Can't speak to Napolitano on this one--have not had many discussions in our investigations on her
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:07 david codrea
8:07


[Comment From SkullzSkullz: ]
Has there been any inkling of the ATF allowing what would be NFA firearms to "walk"?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:07 Skullz
8:08


david codrea:
I have not had that be a discussion--the military stuff in MX is from our govt to theirs, and of course whatever they can smuggle in from other countries
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:08 david codrea
8:09


[Comment From Jeff LynchJeff Lynch: ]
What can you tell me about the Texas FFL dealers being told to allow strawman purchases? Are these the same dealers being "investigated" such as Carter's Country?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:09 Jeff Lynch
8:09


[Comment From Mike VanderboeghMike Vanderboegh: ]
If I can chip in, on fallout: Holder is finished. Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer could be charged with felonies. Napolitano will be swept out in an effort to save the administration. Hillary will survive because she is at this moment preparing to throw the rest of them under the bus. Or so my sources say tonight.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:09 Mike Vanderboegh
8:10


david codrea:
That's the allegaton and what their lawyer says--we have not been able to talk to deGuerin and Carters Country owner is keeping quiet--but there have been similar ops reported all over that we are looking into, not just the SW
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:10 david codrea
8:10


Robert Farago:
We learned today that the U.S. Border Patrol agents fired beanbags at Mexicans, at least one of which was firing an ATF enabled gun. Does this ever sound like Alice in Wonderland to you?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:10 Robert Farago
8:11


david codrea:
This whole thing is surreal--the reaosn these guys even sought out me and Mike is a whole story unto itself--even though we have not been kind to ATF in our writings, we were the only ones consistently calling for investigations into cleanupatf allegations
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:11 david codrea
8:11


[Comment From RalphRalph: ]
Is there a definitive link between Holder and Fast and Furious (Gunwalker)?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:11 Ralph
8:12


david codrea:
Well, we know he's hiding from Grassley--if you mean have I seen a memo from him to Lanny Breuer. No. This what the grassley investigation is for--to subpoena docs and testimony to validate what the agents are saying
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:12 david codrea
8:12


[Comment From Connie ThomasConnie Thomas: ]
It was a brave agent that came across the screen tonight on CBS I hope we hear a reward for his bravery.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:12 Connie Thomas
8:13


[Comment From PTPT: ]
Mike or David: any comment on the rifle used to kill the INS agent in Mexico in relation to the ATF's shenanigans? I read the blog post on TTAG about the ATF not knowing about the guns. Oh and david and mike deserve a journalism prize someday.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:13 PT
8:13


[Comment From Mike VanderboeghMike Vanderboegh: ]
re: Holder and F&F: my sources say absolutely.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:13 Mike Vanderboegh
8:14


Brad Kozak:
Is there any chance the "river of guns" meme will be exposed in all this to be a bald-faced lie, pushed by both the U.S. and Mexico for their own political aims?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:14 Brad Kozak
8:14


david codrea:
Connie--yes, he made me very emotional watching him.
PT--it was from a suspect they were monitoring. There is still some confusion over whether it was the same op, a different op, or just a different face on out of control policies
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:14 david codrea
8:15


david codrea:
They will still try to use the river of guns meme whenever they can and count on ignorance--I see some still using the 90% lie--most of the media doesn't care and actually wants to demonize guns, and most of our countrymen are too uninvolved to know the difference
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:15 david codrea
8:15


[Comment From Mr MagMr Mag: ]
How will all of this impact on liberal efforts to push anti 2A legislation?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:15 Mr Mag
8:16

Do you think Atny. Gen. Eric Holder will be fired/resign over the Gunwalker Scandal?
He'll be fired.
( 0% )
He'll 'resign' before he's pushed.
( 22% )
He'll circle the wagons & try to stay.
( 43% )
He's Teflon® – he won't be touched.
( 35% )

Thursday March 3, 2011 8:16
8:17


david codrea:
I think in a general sense we've been in a position where gun control was not going to pass due to sheer political implications--i think this will help put a stop on the more egregious efforts to ban AWs due to Mexico--and the other stuff on the table like 30 rd mags I don't think anyone had the will to risk their careers on it except in safe districts
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:17 david codrea
8:17


[Comment From RalphRalph: ]
Mike, how did you get so deep into this? You're a prominent libertarian, but this is high journalism at its best.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:17 Ralph
8:18


[Comment From SkullzSkullz: ]
Obviously you and Vanderboegh have put a ton of time and energy into making sure this was solid before releasing it and making every attempt to get the MSM to step up. When did you first think you had something real to work from?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:18 Skullz
8:18


[Comment From Mike VanderboeghMike Vanderboegh: ]
"How will all of this impact on liberal efforts to push anti 2A legislation?" Stake through the heart for this congress at least. How can you allow ATF any more power or resources until this gets sorted. And the oversight hearings will be smash up. Can anyone say Ramsey A. Bear?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:18 Mike Vanderboegh
8:19


david codrea:
The first time I had someone contact me who i could validate to be real--meaning early on in January
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:19 david codrea
8:19


[Comment From Connie ThomasConnie Thomas: ]
The CBS story broke after the President of Mexico and Obama had their photo op. I wonder what he is thinking now about our government undermining his government?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:19 Connie Thomas
8:20


david codrea:
I wonder why no journalist asked them about this
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:20 david codrea
8:20


Robert Farago:
Just to add to that: what about all the Mexicans killed by walked guns? The Mexican government's silence is deafening.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:20 Robert Farago
8:21


david codrea:
Yes, and it came out that one of Calderons top security guys was giving info to cartels as well as weapons--I think the govt there is so corrupt they are keeping quiet even thought they know ours stiffed them on this because of money and power considerations
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:21 david codrea
8:21


[Comment From SkullzSkullz: ]
There has been talk about Obama keying up for a speech about gun control. Do you think that it's the gunwalker issue that has been keeping him quiet? If he steps up now, the entire MSM will have to notice gunwalker.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:21 Skullz
8:22


david codrea:
Yeah, I almost wrote a piece a while back daring him to make that speech now, but Mike talked me out of it--he's a lot more moderate and mature than I am..:)
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:22 david codrea
8:22


[Comment From RalphRalph: ]
Was Calderon "in" on F&F? It's hard to believe that a US agency would permit guns to cross the border without Mexico's knowledge and blessing.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:22 Ralph
8:23


Brad Kozak:
Do you have any sense if the fallout from this scandal will result in the ATF being either dramatically scaled back, or absorbed into another LEO agency, such as the FBI?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:23 Brad Kozak
8:23


david codrea:
Our sources say they kept the Mx govt out of the loop--whether any backdoor channels bypassed our sources is something I can't say--you start getting into conspiracies and wheels within wheels and you could go nuts
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:23 david codrea
8:24


[Comment From wardog6dwardog6d: ]
Just hope they were American made guns and ammo...
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:24 wardog6d
8:24


[Comment From Mike VanderboeghMike Vanderboegh: ]
"Mike, how did you get so deep into this? You're a prominent libertarian, but this is high journalism at its best." Hold all applause until the end of the scandal. This is an overnight success story which took over two years, dozens of players behind the scenes, and as for me ought to be called David Olofson's Revenge. He's the one whose railroad job got me into this.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:24 Mike Vanderboegh
8:24


david codrea:
I've been afraid of absorption because if DHS can get it and bury it and insulate it, it will make it harder to keep tabs particularly if they pull Patriot Act secrecy
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:24 david codrea
8:25


[Comment From Backwoods EngineerBackwoods Engineer: ]
The CBS piece was pure plutonium. In a rational world, Holder's resignation would be on the President's desk in the morning. Too bad it won't be.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:25 Backwoods Engineer
8:25


[Comment From Connie ThomasConnie Thomas: ]
Every one of the male undocumated mexicans where I live want guns to take back to Mexico. CBS did a government story some time ago about guns sold at gunshow (loop hole) being sent to Mexico. It was written by the ATF and spoon fed to CBS for ratings. This New Story kicks the tar out of the higharchy of ATF and I wonder if they were the apprentices at WACO all grown up now?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:25 Connie Thomas
8:26


[Comment From Backwoods EngineerBackwoods Engineer: ]
Congrats to David C. & Mike V. for bringing this to the fore. Maybe patriots can take it from here and start putting pressure on the administration & Main Justice.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:26 Backwoods Engineer
8:27


[Comment From RalphRalph: ]
If the ATF survived Waco and Ruby Ridge, it can survive F&F. Does this help or hurt Traver's nomination?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:27 Ralph
8:27


david codrea:
BE--yes, it was potent stuff--but these folks have powers and abilities and more importantly, info on people.
Connie--one story I want to explore is poor Mexicans breaking the law and getting guns just to protect themselves--that is a part of this that is overlooked--they have an rkba too, even if their criminal got doesn;t recognize it
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:27 david codrea
8:28


[Comment From Mike VanderboeghMike Vanderboegh: ]
Janet Napolitano wants nothing more than sink ATF and absorb both the gun mission and the street agents so she can finally put thousands of political police on the streets. As for me, I prefer the devil I know in rehab to the devil I don't. I never thought I'd say this, but by all means let's save the ATF. The gun laws aren't going to go away and putting that mission in Big Sis' hands is asking for civil war.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:28 Mike Vanderboegh
8:28


david codrea:
I don't think Traver will dare allow himself to be questioned under oath--I don't believe the heir apparent has been kept out of the loop
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:28 david codrea
8:28


[Comment From PTPT: ]
do you guys think grassley will be able to get a full blown congressional investigation, or is he on his own?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:28 PT
8:28


[Comment From Kurt HofmannKurt Hofmann: ]
Mike and David, do you have a handle on how widespread this is? We have Fred Delia, of Delia's Gun Shop, in Philadelphia, saying he was told by the BATFE to proceed with gun sales, to help them build a case.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:28 Kurt Hofmann
8:29


david codrea:
PT--I think Grassley is POd and that will make him dig deep. I also think we absolutely need Darrell Issa in the House
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:29 david codrea
8:30


david codrea:
Hey Kurt--yes, I'm even getting reports that a gun shop owner in the Pacific NW is going to be talking to the police there about this--wouold love to be able to break that as a story with documentable facts, for now it's just a rumor that's been related to me by a source I respect
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:30 david codrea
8:31


[Comment From Gravelly Point DudeGravelly Point Dude: ]
"Backwoods Engineer" oops... good luck with that I have been hammering my Reps since this broke with no action on their part
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:31 Gravelly Point Dude
8:32


[Comment From RalphRalph: ]
David, is there any reason why Rep. Issa would not be on board?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:32 Ralph
8:32


[Comment From Chris DummChris Dumm: ]
I live in the Pacific NW, and my FFL guy hasn't been snooped or duped by the ATF. (Yet?) Then again, he's not a dealer but a gunsmith who sometimes orders and receives guns from manufacturers.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:32 Chris Dumm
8:33


david codrea:
If your reps are ignoring you, send us your emails to them and we'll put them in for a Project Gunweasel award--sometimes a little publicity, and letting constituents know at eleciton time know they helped stonewall the investigation into the murder of a front line soldier on America's borders--can get them to move.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:33 david codrea
8:33


Robert Farago:
Do you think that the American public cares about this story? When Nixon was in office there was a lot of liberal animus towards Tricky Dicky. Obama is still a media darling and perceived as being . . . nice. Does this story have legs?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:33 Robert Farago
8:33


david codrea:
No reason I know of re: Issa
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:33 david codrea
8:34


Brad Kozak:
What info do you have on Madame Hillary's involvement? And how close is she to throwing people under the bus?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:34 Brad Kozak
8:35


david codrea:
Guns per se only have real legs with the gun crowd--but there are millions of us--CCRKBA and GOA have stepped up to urge their members to get involved. We need NRA to take that step. But what has legs is the illegal immigration issue, and those groups have been surprisingly quiet on this--we need to bring them into this and make this their cause too--it is so much bigger than guns--it is govt abuse, corruption, uncontrolled borders, the drug trade, viscious terorrist criminals, etc.--Plenty of people should have a dog in this fight
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:35 david codrea
8:36

Who is the highest level official that will lose their job over the Gunwalker scandal?
Atny. Gen. Eric Holder
( 82% )
DHS Sect. Janet Napolitano
( 18% )
Sect. State Hillary Clinton
( 0% )
Pres. Barack Obama
( 0% )

Thursday March 3, 2011 8:36
8:37


david codrea:
We know she is aware of the state dpt cable about Calderon's security guy sellling weapons to cartels and yet still went out and blamed American guns for the problem--we know that ATF has created an international incident with Mexico, so when discovery starts it will come out that State was in communication with Justice
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:37 david codrea
8:37


[Comment From Mike VanderboeghMike Vanderboegh: ]
Robert: Nixon was done in by the drip, drip of people coming forward, testifying under oath, etc. You haven't even seen the beginning of that yet. My guess is that Obama and Hillary will survive. Obama hugely weakened -- personnel is policy, after all -- and Hillary will come out smelling like a rose. And I concur with David. EVERYONE has a dog in this fight.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:37 Mike Vanderboegh
8:37


Robert Farago:
Is there any evidence that the ATF agents took money for any of this? Is there personal corruption as well as institutional corruption?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:37 Robert Farago
8:38


david codrea:
I have not seen that--I have seen allegations of ambition on the part of mgrs
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:38 david codrea
8:38


[Comment From Mr MagMr Mag: ]
Once this all pans out does anyone think agent Terry's family will have a case against the US for damages?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:38 Mr Mag
8:38


[Comment From ForbesForbes: ]
Good to see both Mike and David replying on this forum, thanks gentleman for your updates and information.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:38 Forbes
8:39


[Comment From RalphRalph: ]
Does the Terry family have an attorney yet?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:39 Ralph
8:39


[Comment From Mike VanderboeghMike Vanderboegh: ]
Robert: None so far as I know. This scandal is about following the bureaucratic money (and power). In a sense, that's far worse.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:39 Mike Vanderboegh
8:39


david codrea:
I certainly hope they file a wrongful death lawsuit. I have been having discussions on this behind the scenes--it is not something a gun advocate can call for because after all, a family is in mourning and I wouldn't want someone to come to me with a political agenda if someoone I loved had been killed
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:39 david codrea
8:39


david codrea:
Don't know if the family has an atty
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:39 david codrea
8:40


Robert Farago:
What about those .50 caliber rifles? Is there any chance the cartels might use one against a helicopter? The mind boggles.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:40 Robert Farago
8:40


[Comment From Mr MagMr Mag: ]
Me either but the Terry's brother seems like he would thke the fight to whoever
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:40 Mr Mag
8:40


david codrea:
I thought those were only good against 747s...
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:40 david codrea
8:40


[Comment From VigilantisVigilantis: ]
Have either of you gentlemen been contacted by cable news or a major newspaper for comment on the scandal? Is there any indication of another major media outlet besides CBS beginning to cover this?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:40 Vigilantis
8:43


david codrea:
Yes, many times--and I've reported on Fox doing a story and the LA Times, with another one expected, and AP just did one and the Dallas Morning News and...

Spoken to producers, reporters...but most have been insisting we give up our sources, and that is something we were not prepared to do--CBS was the first one that said they'dl do the story without preconditions and demands
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:43 david codrea
8:43


Robert Farago:
You wrote today about the Brady Campaign pretending that none of this is happening. Is that your perception of the gun control advocate's perspective? What the chances of them coming on board? After all, GUNS! OUT OF CONTROL GUNS!
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:43 Robert Farago
8:44


[Comment From Mike VanderboeghMike Vanderboegh: ]
Just so you know, CBS is cooperating with both the LA Times (which will have aq front page story tomorrow by Ms. Murphy and the Center for Public Integrity. Their story posted tonight is linked here: http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/03/just-so-ya-know-cbs-la-times-and-center.html
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:44 Mike Vanderboegh
8:45


david codrea:
yeah, the anti-gunners are avoiding this like the plague--which makes this a useful tool to shut them up--start commenting about why if they care so much they won't join us in this--you know bipartisanship and common sense and all...
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:45 david codrea
8:45


Robert Farago:
The CBS report indicated a schism within the ATF. Will ATF, ICE and Border Patrol Agents start coming forward with more revelations?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:45 Robert Farago
8:45


[Comment From Gravelly Point DudeGravelly Point Dude: ]
Many of us have been keeping this story alive through various blogs and friendly conservative websites, it is absolutely maddening that the MSM will not start doing their job?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:45 Gravelly Point Dude
8:46


[Comment From John F.John F.: ]
Do you anticipate any new individuals with pertinent information contacting you as this story is introduced in the MSM?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:46 John F.
8:47


david codrea:
We certainly hope so--I've been advocating them having an "I am Spartacus!" moment, but then it is not my neck on the line--and when you look art some of the retaliatory abuse and expenses some who have bucked the system have had to endure, it's understandable why most have remained in the background
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:47 david codrea
8:47


[Comment From Mike VanderboeghMike Vanderboegh: ]
"The CBS report indicated a schism within the ATF. Will ATF, ICE and Border Patrol Agents start coming forward with more revelations? " Count on it. The media frenzy now begins. They can't ignore it now. The spinning will be ferocious, but the truth will out.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:47 Mike Vanderboegh
8:48


Robert Farago:
Why are you guys so dogged about pursuing the truth? What's it to ya?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:48 Robert Farago
8:48


david codrea:
Yes, and for a while I was afraid CBS might notice they were alone out there among the MSM--I've also been very disappointed in Drudge--been feeding him tips for 2 months and Charlie Sheen is more important to hi
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:48 david codrea
8:48


Robert Farago:
Well there is a Mexican connection there. . .
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:48 Robert Farago
8:49


[Comment From John F.John F.: ]
Drudge has totally ignored this story.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:49 John F.
8:49


david codrea:
The truth? What else is there?

I have sons. I don't want to have them damn me when they're my age for having shirked and put them in an even worse situation than they'll have to face
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:49 david codrea
8:50


Robert Farago:
So it's all for the children.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:50 Robert Farago
8:50


[Comment From FirebrandFirebrand: ]
LOL...Drudge has it up now. The CBS story must've cured his cranial-rectal insertion syndrome
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:50 Firebrand
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[Comment From Mike VanderboeghMike Vanderboegh: ]
Drudge has finally tonight linked both the CPI and CBS stories. Sheesh. That only took more than two months.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:50 Mike Vanderboegh
8:50


[Comment From John F.John F.: ]
Has Lew Rockwell shown any interest in promoting this story on his website?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:50 John F.
8:50


david codrea:
Nah, it's for me too--believe me, when you have to look at what I see in the mirror, you don't want to make it any harder
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:50 david codrea
8:50


Brad Kozak:
what about Breitbart?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:50 Brad Kozak
8:50


[Comment From Backwoods EngineerBackwoods Engineer: ]
Congrats Mike on getting DRUDGE to put it up!
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:50 Backwoods Engineer
8:51


Robert Farago:
Do you think any of the gunwalker guns went to Mexican civilians to arm themselves against the cartels?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:51 Robert Farago
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david codrea:
I have a friend who writes for Breitbart--says he's not really a gun guy and I asked him to pitch it anyway--haven't seen any result--don't recall if Rockwell covered this in any way
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:52 david codrea
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david codrea:
Once the guns are in the wild, who knows where they ended up. I hope some did. Be nice to think some good will come out of this. In re Beck, we have campaigned just about every name you can think of
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:53 david codrea
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[Comment From ForbesForbes: ]
Has any further tiein's to the Houston Texas gun stores came forward, does the Project run further than Phoenix and Tucson?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:53 Forbes
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[Comment From Mike VanderboeghMike Vanderboegh: ]
"Why are you guys so dogged about pursuing the truth? What's it to ya?" Just another stubborn Dutch-parentaged asshole I guess. Now's not the time for high flown speeches. If you boil it all down, I'm a citizen. Isn't that what citizens are supposed to do?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:53 Mike Vanderboegh
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david codrea:
Discussed the TX store earlier in this tread--don't know if it is definitively gunwalker, but they were watching the perp and let him go--and as discussed, other stores are starting to give us similar indicators
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:55 david codrea
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Robert Farago:
What would you guys like to see happen now? What do you think will happen?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:55 Robert Farago
8:55


[Comment From Gravelly Point DudeGravelly Point Dude: ]
As I mentioned, many of us have been pushing the story to various websites and politicians since it broke, who would be some key politicians besides Grassley that we can put pressure on?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:55 Gravelly Point Dude
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[Comment From Backwoods EngineerBackwoods Engineer: ]
"just another stubborn Dutch-parentaged asshole I guess" -- I wish we had ten thousand more, Mike. I read your stuff every day. You really woke me up with Absolved. Thanks for your and David's hard work on this, and GOA's too.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:56 Backwoods Engineer
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david codrea:
I'd like to see the truth come out--I'm much more interested in where the rabbit hole leads than the outcome--I'd like to see the wicked punished and the just vindicated and the families of those who have suffered comforted
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:56 david codrea
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[Comment From Mike VanderboeghMike Vanderboegh: ]
Hearings, both Senate and House. Holder gone, Nappy gone. Some supervisors in jail (Oh how I hope one of them is Lanny Breuer.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:57 Mike Vanderboegh
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Robert Farago:
Thank you David and Mike for all your hard work, and for sharing this time with us here at TTAG. We'll be working on some angles and watching your work closely.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:57 Robert Farago
8:57


Robert Farago:
Anything you'd like from our readers?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:57 Robert Farago
8:57


david codrea:
GPD: your senators and congressman, with an or else if they don't--and of course darrell Issa is key--push him the hardest
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:57 david codrea
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Robert Farago:
Last question . . .
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:58 Robert Farago
8:58


[Comment From John F.John F.: ]
Not meant to be melodramatic but do either of you guys worry about your own safety as this story gets bigger and bigger?
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:58 John F.
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david codrea:
Yes, thank you RF--the only thing I'd ask visitors here is to share the info with your friends and help Mike and me raise as much ruckus as we can
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:58 david codrea
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[Comment From Mike VanderboeghMike Vanderboegh: ]
Do I worry about my own safety? Naw, that's in God's hands. I did call my local ATF SAC and leave him a message to watch the show tonight. Very funny.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:59 Mike Vanderboegh
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[Comment From John F.John F.: ]
Thank you David and Mike.
Thursday March 3, 2011 8:59 John F.
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Robert Farago:
Thank you gentlemen, and to all of you who participated.
Thursday March 3, 2011 9:00 Robert Farago
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david codrea:
Thank you to Robert and Brad and everyone else who helped make this happen. i appreciate the opportunity to sh0ow everyone what a crap typist I am...:)
Thursday March 3, 2011 9:00 david codrea
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