UNITED NATIONS – A treaty being hammered out this month at the United Nations -- with Iran playing a key role -- could expose the records of America's gun owners to foreign governments -- and, critics warn, eventually put the Second Amendment on global trial.
International talks in New York are going on throughout July on the final wording of the so-called Arms Trade Treaty, which supporters such as Amnesty International USA say would rein in unregulated weapons that kill an estimated 1,500 people daily around the world. But critics, including the National Rifle Association’s Wayne LaPierre, warn the treaty would mark a major step toward the eventual erosion of the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment gun-ownership rights.
Americans “just don’t want the UN to be acting as a global nanny with a global permission slip stating whether they can own a gun or not,” LaPierre said. “It cheapens our rights as American citizens, and weakens our sovereignty,” he warned in an exclusive interview with (Fox News) from the halls of the UN negotiating chambers.
The world body has already been criticized for appointing Iran to a key role in the talks, even as Tehran stands accused by the UN of arming Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's bloody crackdown on rebels. The Obama administration in 2009 reversed Bush administration policy by agreeing to take part in the talks. But in another exclusive interview with (FOX NEWS), the top government official on the issue under President Bush says he’s seen nothing new to convince him the U.S. should be at the table today.
While the treaty’s details are still under discussion, the document could straitjacket U.S. foreign policy to the point where Washington could be restricted from helping arm friends such as Taiwan and Israel, said Greg Suchan, Deputy Assistant Secretary in the State Department’s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs from 2000 to 2007.
Suchan also highlighted ongoing concern that the treaty may end up giving foreigners access to U.S. gun-ownership records.
On that score, LaPierre, who serves as NRA executive vice president, warns that the “UN’s refusal” to remove civilian firearms and ammunition from the scope of the treaty amounts to a declaration that only governments should be gun owners. But he revealed he was set Wednesday to tell the UN gathering that 58 U.S. senators had signed a letter saying that they would refuse to ratify any treaty that includes controls over civilian guns or ammunition.
Ratification by two-thirds of the Senate is necessary before an international treaty negotiated by the executive branch can become U.S. law. But the treaty could still go into effect elsewhere once 65 countries ratify it. Such a development could change the pattern of world arms transfers and reduce the U.S. share, which stands at about 40 percent of up to $60 billion in global deals.
The Bush administration opposed a 2006 UN General Assembly resolution launching the treaty process, but President Obama decided the U.S. would take part on condition the final agreement be reached by consensus -- thereby giving any of the 193 participating states an effective veto. The safeguard is insufficient for opponents of the U.S. participation, not least because UN talks invariably involve compromise.
“The administration swears they have a whole bunch of red lines, and they will block consensus if anyone crosses them,” said Suchan, now a government relations consultant as senior associate with the Commonwealth Consulting Corporation in Arlington, Va.
“But the dynamics of international negotiations are that once you get 90 percent of what you seek, you say, ‘Maybe there is a way we can finesse the final 10 percent.’”
A clause permitting arms transfers solely between UN member states would allow UN member China to object to U.S. arms sales to Taiwan, a non-UN member that China considers to be a renegade province.
This would be highly problematic for the U.S. at a time when Beijing is engaged in an unprecedented arms buildup.
Another fear is that Arab or other states critical of Israel may use any treaty language on human rights standards to argue against U.S. arms transfers to the Israeli government – much in the same way they currently use the UN Human Rights Council to repeatedly condemn Israel.
Suchan said U.S. arms trade law is seen as the global “gold standard” for regulating arms transfers, but doubted many countries would be willing to raise the bar that high. Instead, the treaty that emerges is expected to set a lower global standard – which Suchan said would have the effect of reducing Washington’s ability to press for voluntary arms embargoes against rogue states.
“We might want to urge a country to not sell arms to a state whose government is particularly odious,” Suchan explained.
“But that government could then ask whether the sale is prohibited under the Arms Trade Treaty – and if it is not, they would argue they are meeting the international standard.”
U.S. gun lobby concern focuses on the emphasis the treaty places on governmental – as opposed to individual – rights to guns, LaPierre explained.
“They’re trying to impose a UN policy that gives guns to the governments – but the UN doesn’t in turn make moral judgments as to whether these governments are good or bad,” he said.
“If you’re the government, you get the guns, if you’re a civilian, you don’t. But this will just end up helping evil governments and tyrants.”
For LaPierre, the emphasis he sees at the UN on governmental rights reflects what he believes is a wider international tradition that contrasts with the historical American emphasis on individual rights.
“The UN view is that governments – not individual citizens – ought to protect people,” he said, signaling that this principle permeates the draft that negotiators are currently working with.
LaPierre says the treaty that is likely to emerge will have the effect of squeezing individual gun owners in the United States and elsewhere by imposing on them an onerous collection of regulations.
“If they get this through, then what comes along is the institutionalizing of the whole gun control-ban movement within the bureaucracy of UN – with a permanent funding mechanism that we [in America] will be mainly paying for,” he said.
“The world’s worst human rights abusers will end up voting for this, while the Obama administration has not drawn a line in the sand like the previous administration did. Instead, it is trying to be a part of this train wreck because they think they can somehow finesse it. But, to me, there is no finessing the individual freedoms of American citizens.”
Steven Edwards is a UN-based freelance journalist
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11/un-arms-treaty-could-put-us-gun-owners-in-foreign-sights-say-critics/#ixzz20uJh5LB6
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With all of the incredibly controlling laws our legislatures have passed giving the president illegal powers it is no surprise they would get us involved with this.
Things will get crazy in the not to distant future.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByKmanbay (689.36) Kmanbay View Channel Send Message
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There are at least 200 million privately owned firearms in the US, though the number probably encroaches 300+ million. There are some 12 million odd hunters, and 20 million Veterans of the Armed Forces. You could not disarm the American people. Period.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByBurton7 (320.70) 
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@Burton7 Google "internment and resettlement operations" and you will see carefully laid plans to disrupt the sort of spontaneous valor you reference above.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByTHX1979 (184.34) THX1979 View Channel Send Message
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@THX1979 Who will enforce it? The Police? There are only about 1 million Law Enforcement Officers in the nation. The Military? Yeah right, even with Reserves called up, that's only 3 million. You can count on a solid 1/3 of those going UA or refusing to follow orders in such a scenario. That would effectively cripple the Military. It could not happen.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByBurton7 (320.70) 
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@Burton7 The plans include massive expansion of their ability to confine US military prisoners. Have you considered the possibility that it is an alliance of foreign militaries doing the dirty work here?
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByTHX1979 (184.34) THX1979 View Channel Send Message
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@THX1979 I have considered the possibility, and promptly disregarded it. Any foreign Army had better be prepared for massive casualties. This nation isn't armed with rusty, old Soviet arms with corroded, mismatched ammo. As for "confining prisoners", like I said, it's just not feasible. They don't have the numbers to do it, and if that day came, things would be so bad that many active-duty Veterans would leave to take care of their families. If even a quarter of the military deserted o More..
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByBurton7 (320.70) 
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Fuck the UN.
They are corrupted and have ambition's of forming a one world dictatorship.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByDave556 (1947.36) 
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This just makes people want to buy guns even more.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByJasen (78.64) Jasen View Channel Send Message
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@Jasen no, pugs!
Posted Jul-19-2012 ByBeinrich_Bimmler (556.50) Beinrich_Bimmler View Channel Send Message
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This is DIRECTLY aimed at our 2nd Amendment AND our Constitution!!
It is designed to further comply with the NWO mandates adopted by the UN; ONLY GOVERNMENTS will have guns, NOT SHEEPLE!
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByGusr (292.90) Gusr View Channel Send Message
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Fuck the UN
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByJegsman (270.46) 
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@Jegsman the robot guy in your avatar really creeps me out, man
Posted Jul-19-2012 ByBeinrich_Bimmler (556.50) Beinrich_Bimmler View Channel Send Message
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@Beinrich_Bimmler cmon, its a generic face, an avatar like everyone else-nobody but a tard would use a real pic
Posted Jul-20-2012 ByJegsman (270.46) 
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@Jegsman oh snap-that's what i get for posting a real picture! (i'm the one to the left)
Posted Jul-20-2012 ByBeinrich_Bimmler (556.50) Beinrich_Bimmler View Channel Send Message
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Fuck the UN and the USA. They can never have my weapons. NEVER. Odumbo is an asshole.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByWestern-Horseman (317.54) 
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@Americanalltheway JFK did not bend over for America's enemies. If he were running today, there is no way he could receive the Dem nomination. He opposed Communism, he was pro-American, and a sad little piece of crap leftist didn't like it.
Exact same thing that happened to Gabby Giffords.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByST0N3PONY (5011.42) 
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@Americanalltheway
The posotus needs to ride in convertibles with the top down.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByGusr (292.90) Gusr View Channel Send Message
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@Americanalltheway
This fucker listens to his secret service and, wisely, keeps his ass within the protected bubble they provide.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByKmanbay (689.36) Kmanbay View Channel Send Message
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@Americanalltheway OUtstanding question. Kudos!!
Answer: The government is educating the children.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByRebel_Radius (1442.32) 
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@ST0N3PONY
Holy shit, I gave you a thumbs up. You're still an asshole.
Posted Jul-18-2012 Bycolleensda (271.54) 
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Arm up people
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByMegadeth (1433.30) 
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Finally the old saying "They can take my gun when they pry my cold dead fingers from it" takes on a whole new meaning. This is as good a place to start the revolution as any.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByRoccoSantoro (506.20) 
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All you gun nuts out there, when will you EVER understand that no matter what the government says or does it will NEVER change the fact that you will still own guns?
There's like 300 million guns in the US isn't there? Even if the government declared owning guns illegal tomorrow, how the FUCK are they going to get 300 million guns off the streets?? Bottom line is that you have NOTHING to worry about ok? >_>
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByJohn_Matrix (631.64) 
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"Could put US guns in foreign sights." More like: "foreign laws in US gun sights."
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByAx7 (31.00) Ax7 View Channel Send Message
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OMG.. Bad guys will always have guns! Time to join the NRA
Posted Jul-18-2012 Byride_k2 (59.24) 
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I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByJasen (78.64) Jasen View Channel Send Message
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Boy, that was a thought-provoking debate. Three muppets all saying the exact same thing.
Posted Jul-18-2012 Bygeorgert (451.52) 
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@georgert They have far more debate than the rest of the networks put together. When they don't, it's usually because an opposing representative refuses an invite.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByST0N3PONY (5011.42) 
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@ST0N3PONY you are soooofarright religious fuck. Man Id love to see you. YOu remind me of Jim Rennie from Stephen Kings book "under the dome". His favourite lines where something like "those commie leftist atheists bastards. They dont know nothing. God saves." while he was taking all the money for himself and making criems
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByEMAG-K (518.12) EMAG-K View Channel Send Message
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@EMAG-K I'm not religious, sorry lunatic. Stop listening to the idiot voices in your head.
You're like Chef, the tweaker psychotic mental defective.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByST0N3PONY (5011.42) 
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@ST0N3PONY =)
But your opinion are farright. Everyone all over the world knows fox is a joke. Why dont you know it?
Because it fits your political agenda?
Have you actually read the book?
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByEMAG-K (518.12) EMAG-K View Channel Send Message
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@EMAG-K Still listening to those idiot voices in your head.
When you grow up, you'll learn that making a retarded statement doesn't mean it's true. Even if you keep repeating it over and over.
Posted Jul-18-2012 ByST0N3PONY (5011.42) 
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