jk19821 made this comment:
"IF corporations are not people than neither are unions, so collective bargaining should not be allowed.
Both corporations and unions are a collective group of people with a common goal, if one does not have the same rights as people neither should the other."
and I agree with that!
I post this for the people that express concearn for Romney, Ron Paul supporters and those that say left and right make no difference. moron.org knows what is at stake, you should too. We know full well that Obama would stack the court with liberal radicals. If Obama wins reelection, his policies (like Obamacare) would never be judged by a balanced Supreme Court and would remain in place for a generation. Think before you vote!
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Posted Jun-26-2012 ByMegadeth (1433.60) 
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@Megadeth lol you really think Romney's going to HELP you.
roflol
voting these days is like picking best shit from the manure pile.
its all nasty, impossible to come out clean
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Ron Paul for Supreme Court Justice!
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByArizona_Patriot (3118.66) 
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Romney has a business agenda and plans to line his own pockets with government deals
Obama has a social agenda and plans to line his friends & his own pockets with government deals
Ron Paul...
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byqwerty4242 (1197.40) qwerty4242 View Channel Send Message
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Ron Paul can't win.
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bymenderman (3161.22) 
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@menderman
Because corporations are allowed to buy elections.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByZerocyde (103.00) 
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@Zerocyde Ah but my question is, how to they buy it? Do they put money in the pockets of voters? Do they give large sums of money to the electoral College?
Do adds make people vote a particular way? If so, then it seems to me the better advertising and most believeble wins the day, not necessarily money.
As a voter, I don't recall ever being paid for my vote. I must have missed that check in the mail.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByLimitedTime (213.00) 
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@LimitedTime asked "Do they put money in the pockets of voters? Do they give large sums of money to the electoral College?"
YES AND YES.
Are you serious??? wow, of course the answer is yes to all those.
If you are spammed all over TV, do constant tours on a big bus, pay for TV time, interviews on talk shows, etc... you have money and get more attention for the position, simple as that. It's politics... just normal politics.
And when someone says "Vote for me and I will cut yo More..
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byqwerty4242 (1197.40) qwerty4242 View Channel Send Message
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I'm not a big union supporter, but that's a pretty shoddy comparison.
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byjum_runky (1532.54) 
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Are unions people?
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bymenderman (3161.22) 
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that phrase make no sense :)
in Corporations a group of chairmen dictate their rules to workes, in Unions workers dictate their rules to the Employers.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByBleys (1655.00) 
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@menderman
They're a collection of people, but not one person.
Same with corporations.
Still, "IF corporations are not people than neither are unions, so collective bargaining should not be allowed," makes no sense.
Is he saying only individual people should be allowed to collectively bargain? Think about the word "collectively."
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byjum_runky (1532.54) 
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If corporations do not have the 1st amendment rights, then the same should be applied to unions.
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bymenderman (3161.22) 
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@menderman
You honestly believe that corporations are literally one person?
Each individual member of the corporation is afforded first amendment protection, absolutely. But the corporation as a whole is not "a person;" it's many different people.
In fact, part of that "person" is the worker who belongs to one of the same unions we're discussing.
Workers wouldn't have to collectively bargain if "people" took care of themselves better.
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byjum_runky (1532.54) 
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You can tell the many people who have no idea about small business or never had to run a small business. When people hear corporations they think Apple, IBM, Boeing but the fact is 70% of corporations in the US are either S Corps or small Corporations with 100 people or less. These corporations are people and if your a S corp you know you are treated as an individual as far as taxes. I run a small corp and all I hear is kill those evil corporations, and I pay my fair share of taxes and help em More..
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bybionut (16.30) bionut View Channel Send Message
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@bionut What you need to understand is that the LLCs or S-Corps that make up that "70% of corporations" will NEVER have the money to compete with the Apples, IBMs and Boeings, and THAT is the point. YOU are not Boeing and never will be. Corporate money in our political system fucks over people like you as well because you don't have the money to give yourself the influence equivalent of 2, 3, or 4 votes like the "big guys" get. That's why it's destroying our democracy.
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bypicklethepug (1280.46) picklethepug View Channel Send Message
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@picklethepug I had small businesses too, and i'm always wonder to see how many ppl in my class who support the big companies, the same companies who do not provide real jobs, who make money with money, who ran outside their country when they need to pay taxes, who are helped by governments with lobbying and breaking the market laws, and that relocating from country to country to feed the shareholders; etc etc...
Why supporting these big companies when they are eating us and eating on us ?
I'm More..
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bygoervideos (382.40) 
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@goervideos yep, and *real* small businesses don't have the wealth to set up tax shelters or political influence to have legislation crafted to favor its profit motive, so the little guy picks up the tax slack for those who have enough money to skirt around it.
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bypicklethepug (1280.46) picklethepug View Channel Send Message
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@MB-UK Agreed. And the greatest irony is they consider themselves "Patriots" and claim they are contributing more than they take. I say it all the time, American Conservatives will look people in the eye and tell them the sky is orange and bullshit and lies are the "American Way."
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bypicklethepug (1280.46) picklethepug View Channel Send Message
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Im pretty sure the OP thinks every liberal is radical one. As every stupid american republican seems to be radical.
USA is filled with loud radicals, who scream and shout over the wiseones, the non-radicals.
Same shit in islam.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByEMAG-K (518.32) EMAG-K View Channel Send Message
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@EMAG-K Liberalism is only semantically different from Communism and Marixsm
Posted Jun-26-2012 By_Byron_ (934.10) 
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@_Byron_ and capitalism which is failing at the moment all over the world.
Every ONE "way" of things wrong. You should pic the best parts of everything.
Im pretty sure yuo dont agree, I guess you are american ultacapitalist, who think "get a job" is always the answer, even when there are no jobs.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByEMAG-K (518.32) EMAG-K View Channel Send Message
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and of course 'king' Obama will be defeated in a historic landslide not seen since Jimmy Carter's embarrassing defeat
Posted Jun-26-2012 By_Byron_ (934.10) 
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I dont ever remember corporations fighting and dying for this country. Quite the opposite.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByFlash_Back (651.96) Flash_Back View Channel Send Message
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Why would they when they got republicans to scream America fuck yeah! and go fight for them while thinking that they fight for their country.
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByBleys (1655.00) 
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Corporations are the name of the collective of people running them; the corporations are not people, though they consist of people.
Posted Jun-26-2012 BySteve15425 (544.80) Steve15425 View Channel Send Message
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unions exist because corporations treat(ed) workers like shit. If Corporations were sympathetic humans that cared about the lives of all their employees (which they are not), unions would serve no purpose.
Neither is a person, neither should be allowed to buy politicians.
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bynkdmansam (252.48) nkdmansam View Channel Send Message
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Unions are of no value to the people that belong to them, They are of value to the people that collect the money and decide where to spend it.
People talk about unions making the work place better. That was from the early years of the union start. The items that unions and workers had problems with are no longer a problem. As examples:
Underage workers: More laws about ages, types of work, who can work, How long per day/per week.
Dangerous working environments: Again there are m More..
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byyrdnal (25.70) 
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This is why Jefferson believed deeply that the Supreme Court should not be the only body to decide what is Constitutional and what is not.
"You seem to consider the judges the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges … and their power [are] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and are not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective contr More..
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bymdscorpio71 (1118.62) 
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This only makes me want to vote for Obama even more.
The Citizens United has done nothing but further erode our democracy. Anti-Union interests had no trouble raising money and funding anti-union candidates before the ruling. It boils down to this:
While far from perfect, the primary function of a Union is to ensure prosperity and economic security to as many people as possible. On the other hand, Corporate entities function to concentrate wealth in the hands of as few people as possible. More..
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bypicklethepug (1280.46) picklethepug View Channel Send Message
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@picklethepug I'm always amazed at how you're wrong so often. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, you don't even average that
Posted Jun-26-2012 By_Byron_ (934.10) 
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@_Byron_ Depend the clock system, anyway what he said was clearly not wrong (the money who lead us, the concentrated power...).
Can you refute his major arguments ?
And because u like to quote:
"The thorns which i have reap'd are of the tree i planted..." George Gordon Byron
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bygoervideos (382.40) 
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@goervideos His comment is proof he can't come up with a logical refute a single thing I said. I'd reply directly to him but he's a little lying coward douchebag that replies to my comments but has me blocked (which further proves my point).
Posted Jun-26-2012 Bypicklethepug (1280.46) picklethepug View Channel Send Message
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@_Byron_
Instead of talking shit why dont you disprove his point?
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByBleys (1655.00) 
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@_Byron_
..and once again, you chime in as if you have something to say.
STFU, please.
Posted Jun-26-2012 Byrmg03c (134.90) 
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You are clearly deluded with no memory. Get it through your thick skull that both parties are on the course to stealing your whole country and giving it to a few who control everything. As for corporations and unions...corporations are profit driven to make large wealth for those at the top while minimizing expense usually by keeping wages as low as possible while still attracting employees.while a unions job is to help make sure that workers rights are protected and wages are at a level that me More..
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByCanuke (206.40) 
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moron.org knows what is at stake and so do you :)
The rest of us think that 80 is a good age for Alzheimers
Posted Jun-26-2012 ByBleys (1655.00) 
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Agreed.
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