Our troops will pull out in 2014 knowing that the Taliban will be part of a future Afghan government
By Telegraph View
7:46PM BST 10 Sep 2012
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The length of the campaign in Afghanistan is a vivid measure of its cost. When British soldiers finally withdraw at the end of 2014, the fighting will have lasted for 13 years, making our Fourth Afghan War the longest foreign conflict this country has waged since the days of Napoleon. After so much toil and sacrifice, the Government owes it to the nation to acknowledge some harsh realities.
No one doubts the achievement of our forces, along with their American and coalition allies. Until 2001, Afghanistan served as the global headquarters of
al-Qaeda and the location for training camps turning out thousands of terrorists. All that has come to an end, with the camps razed and al-Qaeda eliminated as a functioning force, at least within Afghanistan’s borders. Our soldiers can take pride in their part in removing a threat to the security of the West.
Along the way, they have underwritten the birth of an elected government in Kabul and allowed at least three million girls to return to the schools from which the Taliban excluded them. It should never be forgotten that fighters loyal to this vicious movement still burn down classrooms, and cast acid in the faces of girls who want nothing more than an education.
That makes it harder still to acknowledge that there will be no outright military victory over the Taliban. Even the finest counter-insurgency force could not eliminate a movement so deeply rooted among the Pashtuns of southern and eastern Afghanistan. So a negotiated settlement is inevitable – and the Taliban will inevitably play a part.
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The good news, according to the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), is that senior Taliban commanders acknowledge a harsh truth of their own, namely that outright victory is also beyond their power. To achieve a negotiated end to the war, they are apparently willing to renounce al-Qaeda and even accept a continued American military presence after 2014. The Taliban figures interviewed by RUSI are also prepared to drop their medieval, obscurantist opposition to female education. Whether these “moderates” speak for the Taliban as a whole is open to question. Even if they do, other extremist groups such as the Haqqani network could try to sabotage any settlement. And the price for a deal with the Taliban would be the movement’s inclusion in a future Afghan government.
The Prime Minister should start preparing the public for the unpalatable agreement that will have to be struck by 2014. The men we fought for 13 years are likely to have real political power. The best we can hope for is that Afghanistan will be governable, and that the country will no longer be a threat to the West.
By: BekasKhan
In: Afghanistan
Tags: Afghaistan, Occupation, by, US, NATO, Taliban, Pakistan, terrorist, Punjabi, ISI, Al, Qaeda
Location: Afghanistan (load item map)
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Always knew they would be, don't forget our original mission was to wipe out al Qaeda and get/Osama bin laden...
Posted Sep-10-2012 Bythe welshman (237.48) 
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@the welshman Exactly. Thankfully someone with a memory longer than a goldfish.
Posted Sep-10-2012 Bydorbie (2528.30) dorbie View Channel Send Message
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Get the fuck out of that black hole.
Posted Sep-10-2012 Bymutterfudder (693.18) 
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and so the afghan population will get what they deserve, until such point they have the integrity to say no to the taliban.
Posted Sep-10-2012 Byfookalah (712.60) 
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@fookalah Those who say no to the Taliban are shot. That is how they came to power.
Posted Sep-10-2012 Bydorbie (2528.30) dorbie View Channel Send Message
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@dorbie thus the afghans will get what they deserve, they had an opportunity they chose not to take.
Posted Sep-10-2012 Byfookalah (712.60) 
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@fookalah I totally agree if they pass up on this change; fuck them, they can stay in the stone age. Nuke them from orbit if they attack again with WMD as they did on 9-11. Sad part is many Afghans want this bullshit to end.
Posted Sep-11-2012 Bydorbie (2528.30) dorbie View Channel Send Message
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@dorbie those afghans needs to stand up, they wont ever get another opportunity like this again.
Posted Sep-12-2012 Byfookalah (712.60) 
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This is as dumb as saying that the allies in WW2 set Germany up knowing that former Nazi party people would form part of the ensuing government.
The Taliban were endemic having come to power and dominated for years.
The real issue is their harboring and shielding Al Qaeda elements as they attack the West. If they'd handed UBL over at the start this would never have lasted beyond 2002 and the USA would be lauding the Taliban as old allies from the Soviet era.
Posted Sep-10-2012 Bydorbie (2528.30) dorbie View Channel Send Message
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Maybe they'll grow up and learn to live with other people.
Posted Sep-11-2012 Byplokiju (887.50) 
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@plokiju
I highly doubt the US government will ever be liked around the world, it's kinda sad because most people in the US are good folks,it's just that their leaders are constantly giving them a bad reputation with their aggressive warmongering antics.
Posted Sep-11-2012 Bywerdum12 (253.80) 
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This is a defeatist article. The aim of the invasion of Afghanistan was to disrupt Al Qaeda and capture Osama Bin Laden.
Kicking the Taliban out of power was a natural by product of that. Educating women, peace and democracy were never on the list, although we did what we could while we were there. It is not up to us to change their culture to the point where they hold our values. That would take centuries.
The current government is a bunch of corrupt scum that will fall after we withdraw, More..
Posted Sep-10-2012 BytehJenkem (262.70) tehJenkem View Channel Send Message
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@tehJenkem
They started up w the "nation building" garbage. Should have been an in an out type of deal. Typically, those savages have no interest in becoming civilized. Those that do, bug out at first opportunity.
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByPmoney (201.46) 
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Quote:
"The best we can hope for is that Afghanistan will be governable, and that the country will no longer be a threat to the West."
Only one thing here is for certain - Afghanistan will still be a medieval (if not even stone age) dump long after 2014 ...
Posted Sep-11-2012 Bywrano (2566.48) 
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We should have started withdrawing after OBL got his.
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByPmoney (201.46) 
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@Pmoney
But OBL was in Pakistan not in Afghanistan.
We should have left right after the Taliban were routed from power in 2002.
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByCujo1234 (174.80) 
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Come on, we gotta fight them over there so we don't fight them here!
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByCujo1234 (174.80) 
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The operation cost taxpayers £17.3billion to March 2012, official figures due to be released this summer reveal.
But the Ministry of Defence expects to spend another £800million as equipment will have to come out by road avoiding neighbouring Pakistan, deemed too dangerous.
We will also have to contribute to the £25.3billion pot to fund Afghan forces.
Thanks Bush, thanks Blair, you achieved nothing. Afghanistan will still be run by the Taliban and all the deaths on both sides were for not More..
Posted Sep-10-2012 ByMrTapeJam (78.70) 
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@MrTapeJam All of Dubya's cronies made billions so Dubya considers it a success
Posted Sep-10-2012 ByBOMBBOMBIRAN (824.96) 
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Maybe I was misinformed but didnt the taliban run afgan before the u.s rolled in? And obviously wouldn't they regain control once we leave..ok then
Posted Sep-10-2012 ByDubz718 (118.50) 
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I thought Bush planted seeds of freedom there? Lot of heroin growing, but that is it.
Posted Sep-10-2012 ByBoondoggles (174.12) 
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So why did so many people die? couldn't they of done this in the beginning?
Posted Sep-11-2012 Bytruebrit49 (271.42) 
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Because the nationalistic pricks on here instisted on their pound of flesh. Sadly it cost the flesh of 2000 US troops and countless coalition troops.
Posted Sep-11-2012 ByCujo1234 (174.80) 
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