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Bergen: Bin Laden, CIA links hogwash

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html

http://www.foia.cia.gov/duelfer/Iraqs_WMD_Vol1.pdf

This is duelfers report



In testimony on the progress of the Iraq Survey Group on October 2, 2003 he revealed to House and Senate committees that the ISG had found that Iraq had a network of clandestine laboratories containing equipment that should have been (but was not) disclosed to the UN inspectors. He also said that the ISG found an undeclared prison laboratory complex and an undeclared Unmanned Aerial Vehicle production facility. The Iraq Survey Group also found out that a UAV had been test-flown out to a range of 500 kilometers even though the agreed upon limit was 150 kilometers. Iraq lied to the UN about the range of that particular UAV, Kay said.
He testified that Iraq had done research on Congo Crimean Hem

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  • Hello Dat.

    I'm fully aware of Irans history. I made a vid some time back. Which is why I know you failed to mention that the US and the UK were responsible for the coup d'etat which removed a democratically elected government.

    As for the "development of modern industry, railroads", yes, it helped get the oil out quicker, and wasn't done for the benefit of the Iranian people. Perhaps they would have preferred to hang onto their democracy.

    And the "establishment of a national ed More..

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  • Beautiful piece of the puzzle Dat! Maybe some will begin to see the forest through the trees? Voted!

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  • http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=817_1190854846

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  • bolognaskins: ""Let's see, aggression against neighbors, support terrorism, 25,000 grand (sic) to suicide bomber families.."

    If you change a couple of those words, you come up with this....

    "Let's see, aggression against multiple nations, support democracy, reenlistment bonus and/or money for college..."

    Don't get me wrong dude. I hate hearing about the troops getting hurt and killed. HATE IT. But in the time since 9/11, especially after we found out that Iraq was a "when..not an if", I have tried to talk sense into people who talk of enlisting. My ow More..
    So true. Something hard will come down very soon. Just wait and see.

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  • BTW, regardless of the glaring ommissions and our opposing views, I thought the vid was excellent, as was the music. Good stuff. Voted.

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  • bolognaskins: ""Let's see, aggression against neighbors, support terrorism, 25,000 grand (sic) to suicide bomber families.."

    If you change a couple of those words, you come up with this....

    "Let's see, aggression against multiple nations, support democracy, reenlistment bonus and/or money for college..."

    Don't get me wrong dude. I hate hearing about the troops getting hurt and killed. HATE IT. But in the time since 9/11, especially after we found out that Iraq was a "when..not an if", I have tried to talk sense into people who talk of enlisting. My ow More..
    Whos bullying who? Hezzbollah started the war in 2006? By launching rockets at an israeli town crossing the border and killing and kidnapping Israeli soldiers.

    WHy is it that jordan, and Egypt that want nuclear power will get it because they are going through the IAEA and through the world to get such power and technology.. And the USA has no problem with this.

    IRAN was BUSTED RED-handed LYING they developed there program through AQ kahn a man only interested in selling weapons technology to the muslim world He even attempted to sell this to IRAQ but saddam thought it was a CIA plot..

    Iran can have nuclear power if it ONLY goes the right way about it not by Lying about it which it did?

    Why lie and cover up things if its only for peacefull purposes?

    When AQ made the bomb he did not SAY its the pakistani bomb he said the ISLAMIC BOMB..

    Bullying 3rd world countries.

    Look who was bullying it was NORTH KOREA threat after threat.. IF we did not give them fuel oil, food they would declar war? Let millions of there own people starve?

    Peace is not PEACE if your blackmailed for it

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  • The_Gnome: "Hello Dat.

    I'm fully aware of Irans history. I made a vid some time back. Which is why I know you failed to mention that the US and the UK were responsible for the coup d'etat which removed a democratically elected government.

    As for the "development of modern industry, railroads", yes, it helped get the oil out quicker, and wasn't done for the benefit of the Iranian people. Perhaps they would have preferred to hang onto their democracy.

    And the "establishment of a national education system". Didn't work for the same reason, they much preferred their dem More..
    Again pieces of a puzzle are just pieces you cant say oh 1953 project ajax without explaining or even trying to see what led up to it?

    The USA was not involved first it was British and the Russians that forced the Shahs father to hand over power to his son...

    That oil was being used by who? the Soviets, the British..

    Again wheres the Communist blame in any of this? All i see is people bashing the USA over something that in the beginning had nothing to do with US..

    Reza shah was axis leaning thats the main reason he was forced out thats what the Soviets and british used as an excuse to switch the reigns of power.

    Again when was america out there? As stated the US officially apologized for its action in operation ajax back in 2000.

    Again all this is connected with world war 2, communism, fascism, world war 1, the ottoman empire. Everything leading up to it.

    Whats the BIGGER picture? Teza shah also played the powers off each other. The reza also abolished the power of the tribes and disarmed them from my understanding..

    Again what democracy?

    Ahmad Shah Qajar was the Shah before Reza shah took over.. ..

    Mohammad Mosaddeq was ousted For a reason?

    Due to a multitude of disagreements with his former allies, especially the communists and Islamists, and disagreements with the Shah and with the parliament over his handling of talks regarding compensation of the British side, he dissolved the parliament using a referendum to avoid impeachment. This act was characterized as unconstitutional by some of his closest allies as well as opponents, and led to the Shah's dismissing him from office on August 16, 1953


    http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00B10F83C59177B93C6A91783D85F478585F9

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  • Dat1111: "
    bolognaskins: ""Let's see, aggression against neighbors, support terrorism, 25,000 grand (sic) to suicide bomber families.."

    If you change a couple of those words, you come up with this....

    "Let's see, aggression against multiple nations, support democracy, reenlistment bonus and/or money for college..."

    Don't get me wrong dude. I hate hearing about the troops getting hurt and killed. HATE IT. But in the time since 9/11, especially after we found out that Iraq was a "when..not an if", I have tried to talk sense into people who talk of e More..
    Whos bullying who? Hezzbollah started the war in 2006? By launching rockets at an israeli town crossing the border and killing and kidnapping Israeli soldiers.

    WHy is it that jordan, and Egypt that want nuclear power will get it because they are going through the IAEA and through the world to get such power and technology.. And the USA has no problem with this.

    IRAN was BUSTED RED-handed LYING they developed there program through AQ kahn a man only interested in selling weapons technology to the muslim world He even attempted to sell this to IRAQ but saddam thought it was a CIA plot..

    Iran can have nuclear power if it ONLY goes the right way about it not by Lying about it which it did?

    Why lie and cover up things if its only for peacefull purposes?

    When AQ made the bomb he did not SAY its the pakistani bomb he said the ISLAMIC BOMB..

    Bullying 3rd world countries.

    Look who was bullying it was NORTH KOREA threat after threat.. IF we did not give them fuel oil, food they would declar war? Let millions of there own people starve?

    Peace is not PEACE if your blackmailed for it"
    How about the CIA's involvement in Chile in 1973 ? Which lead to mass murders, and incarceration of people with different political views. Please stop blaming everything on communism or liberals; the US is not completely innocent, and you know it.

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  • The_Gnome: "BTW, regardless of the glaring ommissions and our opposing views, I thought the vid was excellent, as was the music. Good stuff. Voted."
    thanks

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  • funny little voice that singer has...

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  • the 25K to suicide bombers is a known fact that I can't get my liberal friends here to own up to.

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  • The US never 'Apologized' for Operation Ajax...we admitted to it, but I wouldn't say Albrights statement was near an apology.

    It does strengthen your position to say they rejected it though. we have to also project their is a 'boogie man' out to get us.

    'In 1953, the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran%u2019s popular prime minister, Mohammed Mossadegh. The Eisenhower administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons, but the More..

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  • Hello dat

    Re; their democracy.

    It's exactly the same in the UK as it is in Iran. We each have a monarch (Queen / Shah) but our governments are both democratically elected.

    Re; "The USA was not involved first it was British and
    the Russians that forced the Shahs father to hand
    over power to his son..."

    No, it was the CIA with the financial support being provided by the UK (in the form of massive bribes to various 'concerned' parties) that was responible.

    Im happy to accept that the More..

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  • god dammit datt,your fuckin up bskins,America's a basterd party...

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  • The_Gnome: "Hello dat

    Re; their democracy.

    It's exactly the same in the UK as it is in Iran. We each have a monarch (Queen / Shah) but our governments are both democratically elected.

    Re; "The USA was not involved first it was British and
    the Russians that forced the Shahs father to hand
    over power to his son..."

    No, it was the CIA with the financial support being provided by the UK (in the form of massive bribes to various 'concerned' parties) that was responible.

    Im happy to accept that the UK's role in the Irans history is both significant and disturbing.

    Same for the co More..
    THE CIA DID NOT EXIST man... when the Shahs dad was abdicated and his Son put in power in what 1941..

    The CIA was not created till when 1947?? Reza shah ran Iran from like 1925-1941...


    Again what are you talking about? Im talking about REZA shah and was referring to the other shah before him.


    Mohammad Mosaddeq was ousted For a reason?

    Due to a multitude of disagreements with his
    former allies, especially the communists and
    Islamists, and disagreements with the Shah and
    with the parliament over his handling of talks
    regarding compensation of the British side, he
    dissolved the parliament using a referendum to
    avoid impeachment. This act was characterized as
    unconstitutional by some of his closest allies as
    well as opponents, and led to the Shah's
    dismissing him from office on August 16, 1953


    http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F0
    0B10F83C59177B93C6A91783D85F478585F9


    Again the Russians and the british were involved way before the USA was..

    What your referring to happened in what 1953? Im talking about all the events that led up to 1953..

    The CIA had nothing to do with Reza shahs removal since it did not exist.

    The CIA was Formed 26 July 1947..

    Again Im not sure what your refferring to the 1953 removal of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh?

    Again Im referring of things up to 1953.. The reza Shahs son ran Iran from 1941-1979..

    And it was in defense of British oil interests not american oil interests regarding that so called coup

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  • johndinfidel: "On the subject of the CIA. During the Cold War we had to counter the KGB is its practice of undermining countries friendly to the United States. Most of the time this had to be accomplished by working with unsavory characters, which was the responsibility of the CIA. Judging the actions of people in the past based on what we know today is what we call in the states Monday morning Quarterbacking.

    Warning: the following is simply conjecture on my part; I haven't read anything about this: The United States had limited experience with espionage prior to the end of WWII. More..
    Yes the communists had already infiltrated western spy networks.. The nazis are the only ones that had any real experience against them... Ex nazis were pulled in extremely fast. Soviets also took some in as well though

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  • We can use history as a tool to learn why we are where we are today. Or we can use history as an excuse to continue to hate today. Radical Islam and Iran use history as an excuse to legitimize their course of action today.

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  • Thanks Dat. Finally a voice of truth comes thru beyond the propaganda hysteria. Now, I will hear that all truth is propaganda. I know!

    Gnome, we were there for our own reasons true. We were there to prevent other real imperialistic powers from domination!! This is true also.

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  • Most of bskins history is true, especially up to 9/11. the deal is, it takes selective events without placing them into context. Dat tries to give more context. then you do your own research. then you decide. it's easy. most people have already made up their minds, so no further research will be undertaken lol.

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  • zilch: "We can use history as a tool to learn why we are where we are today. Or we can use history as an excuse to continue to hate today. Radical Islam and Iran use history as an excuse to legitimize their course of action today.

    "
    So if I killed your entire family 20 years ago you wouldnt have hate for me today?

    And if you did try to kill me, and without proof that I killed your family what would you tell the cops?

    You know no matter what you say i can always use the line More..

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  • We stop learning the moment we think we know everything.
    For 99% of us 99% of what we "know" about the Middle east has been shown to us through the ***MEDIA***
    ..and personally Im tired of Rich getting richer at the cost of dead farmers.

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