Bergen: Bin Laden, CIA links hogwash
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html
http://www.foia.cia.gov/duelfer/Iraqs_WMD_Vol1.pdf
This is duelfers report
In testimony on the progress of the Iraq Survey Group on October 2, 2003 he revealed to House and Senate committees that the ISG had found that Iraq had a network of clandestine laboratories containing equipment that should have been (but was not) disclosed to the UN inspectors. He also said that the ISG found an undeclared prison laboratory complex and an undeclared Unmanned Aerial Vehicle production facility. The Iraq Survey Group also found out that a UAV had been test-flown out to a range of 500 kilometers even though the agreed upon limit was 150 kilometers. Iraq lied to the UN about the range of that particular UAV, Kay said.
He testified that Iraq had done research on Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever and Brucella but had not declared this to the UN. Iraq also continued R&D work on anthrax and ricin without declaring it to the UN.
ISG found nuclear research materials and centrifuge parts hidden in the home of Iraqi nuclear scientist Mahdi Obeidi
Kay told the committees that between 1999 and 2002 Iraq attempted to obtain missile technology from North Korea that would allow them to build missiles with a range of 1300 kilometers, far beyond the UN limit of 150 kilometers that Iraq agreed upon in UN Resolution 687. They also sought anti-ship missiles with a range of 300 kilometers from North Korea.
"With regard to delivery systems, the ISG team has discovered sufficient evidence to date to conclude that the Iraqi regime was committed to delivery system improvements that would have, if OIF had not occurred, dramatically breached UN restrictions placed on Iraq after the 1991 Gulf War," Kay testified.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/02/kay.report/
The Palestine Mandate
The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and
Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and
Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and
Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;
confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/palmanda.htm
For reference.
United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181
On 29 November 1947 the United Nations voted a plan for the partition of the British Mandate territory of Palestine to resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict in the British Mandate of Palestine. The plan came to be called the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine or United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181. The plan was approved by the United Nations General Assembly by 33 votes to 13, with 10 abstentions.
The plan would have partitioned the territory of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, with the Greater Jerusalem area, encompassing Bethlehem, coming under international control.
Initially the British had proposed a Palestine divided between a Jewish and an Arab State; but in time changed their position and sought to limit Jewish immigration from Europe to a minimum. This was seen by the Zionists and their sympathisers as betrayal of the terms of the mandate, especially in light of the increasing persecution in Europe (leading to the Holocaust). It was met with a popular uprising and guerilla war from Jewish and Arab militant groups, often viewed as one of several factors that forced the British to hand the problem of Palestine over to the United Nations. The failure of the British government and the United Nations to implement this plan, prior agreement between the Jewish Agency and King Abdullah to divide Palestine between them, and rejection of the plan by the Arabs resulted in the War for Independence, also known as the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.
http://www.merip.org/palestine-israel_primer/un-partition-plan-pal-isr.html
Ok lets see if you can understand theres history pre 1953 and even 1948.. In regards to Iran.
How about Who ran Iran 1925-1941? Could it be the Shahs Dad? Reza shah Also lets be perfectly clear Of the time were talking about the Rise of Communism, And Fascism, National socialism, Pan arab ideals, Baathism was formed out of these movements etc.
His foreign policy, which had consisted essentially of playing the Soviet Union off against Great Britain, failed when those two powers joined in 1941 to fight the Germans. To supply the Soviet forces with war material through Iran, the two allies jointly occupied the country in August 1941. An autocrat and supporter of modernization, Reza Shah initiated the development of modern industry, railroads, and establishment of a national education system. Reza Shah sought to balance the influence of Russia and Britain by seeking out assistance and technology from European powers traditionally not involved in Iranian affairs, but when World War II started his closeness to Germany alarmed allied powers Russia and Britain, Germany's enemies.
In summer of 1941 Britain and the USSR invaded Iran to prevent Iran from allying with the Axis powers. The Allies occupied Iran, securing a supply line to Russia, Iran's petroleum infrastructure, and forced the Shah to abdicate in favor of his son, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-6144/Reza-Shah-Pahlavi
Without world war 2 there would be none of these issues regarding Israel since the Holocaust is seen as the Main catalyst for the Jews getting there homeland. In regards to Iran as well its obvious the Communists and the British were involved not the USA we came later.
There are more copies of Mein Kampf sold in Arabic today than in any other language. In fact, the only volume more popular in Arab homes is the Quran.
The Arab world has the lowest standard of education in the world, save for sub Saharan Africa.
And why Are the protocols of Zion still being passed around as reality when they were debunked like 100 years ago :).
Again A piece of History is just that a Piece the puzzle must be put together.. Blame us First when you dont even recognize the sequence of events that led to our involvement its quite hillarious
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Hello Dat.
I'm fully aware of Irans history. I made a vid some time back. Which is why I know you failed to mention that the US and the UK were responsible for the coup d'etat which removed a democratically elected government.
As for the "development of modern industry, railroads", yes, it helped get the oil out quicker, and wasn't done for the benefit of the Iranian people. Perhaps they would have preferred to hang onto their democracy.
And the "establishment of a national ed More..
Posted Oct-31-2007 ByThe_Gnome (286.76) The_Gnome View Channel Send Message
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We can use history as a tool to learn why we are where we are today. Or we can use history as an excuse to continue to hate today. Radical Islam and Iran use history as an excuse to legitimize their course of action today.
Posted Oct-31-2007 Byzilch (495.70) zilch View Channel Send Message
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=817_1190854846
Posted Oct-31-2007 ByThe_Gnome (286.76) The_Gnome View Channel Send Message
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Thanks Dat. Finally a voice of truth comes thru beyond the propaganda hysteria. Now, I will hear that all truth is propaganda. I know!
Gnome, we were there for our own reasons true. We were there to prevent other real imperialistic powers from domination!! This is true also.
Posted Oct-31-2007 Byeng1024 (69.62) 
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BTW, regardless of the glaring ommissions and our opposing views, I thought the vid was excellent, as was the music. Good stuff. Voted.
Posted Oct-31-2007 ByThe_Gnome (286.76) The_Gnome View Channel Send Message
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Most of bskins history is true, especially up to 9/11. the deal is, it takes selective events without placing them into context. Dat tries to give more context. then you do your own research. then you decide. it's easy. most people have already made up their minds, so no further research will be undertaken lol.
Posted Oct-31-2007 Bysauerkraut (419.98) 
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I'm fully aware of Irans history. I made a vid some time back. Which is why I know you failed to mention that the US and the UK were responsible for the coup d'etat which removed a democratically elected government.
As for the "development of modern industry, railroads", yes, it helped get the oil out quicker, and wasn't done for the benefit of the Iranian people. Perhaps they would have preferred to hang onto their democracy.
And the "establishment of a national education system". Didn't work for the same reason, they much preferred their democracy. At best this was an early version of 'hearts and minds', token lip-service to the population and the international community. Think about it; we'll take your democracy and your oil but you can have some school books. Lol, not, by any stretch of the imagination a fair swap.
You try to imply that America was there out of the goodness of their hearts. What rubbish. Then, as now, your involvement revolved around political and economic expediency; the control of oil resources previously held, in part, by the Soviet. Iran has always been nothing more than a pawn a much bigger game.
So don't moan about people not knowing the history;
America is there. quite simply, because it wants to be.
As for all those copies of 'Mein Kampf', yes, scary. But not half a scary as having a nuclear-armed state that can't stick to agreed borders on your doorstep."
Posted Oct-31-2007 ByDat1111 (6725.26) Dat1111 Send Message
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And if you did try to kill me, and without proof that I killed your family what would you tell the cops?
You know no matter what you say i can always use the line More..
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Posted Oct-31-2007 ByDat1111 (6725.26) Dat1111 Send Message
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Beautiful piece of the puzzle Dat! Maybe some will begin to see the forest through the trees? Voted!
Posted Oct-31-2007 Byjonnymordant (369.68) jonnymordant View Channel Send Message
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funny little voice that singer has...
Posted Oct-31-2007 Byzag (52.98) zag View Channel Send Message
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the 25K to suicide bombers is a known fact that I can't get my liberal friends here to own up to.
Posted Oct-31-2007 Bydriedjello (1124.64) 
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