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Conservative Lie # 45,098: Obamacare Costs Have Doubled

Good afternoon LiveLeak. Recently my good conservative friend Copperdog posted some media claiming that the projected cost of the Patient Protection and Affordable care act, or Obamacare as it's been dubbed, was in fact double what had initially been estimated by the president and the CBO, sending the price soaring to the near astronomical range of 1.7 trillion dollars. This idea, purported by Conservative politicians and then blasted through everyone's favorite right wing trumpet Fox news, spread across the conservative echochamber/blogosphere like a California brush fire. Of course like many of the ill researched claims that conservatives have made about the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act this too was a lie. Between a thorough debunking by Politifact and this article from talking points memo it's pretty much undeniable that the GOP was fudging the numbers to make yet another outrageous and outright lie of a claim. The saddest part is that yet again their goldfish like political memory will kick in, they'll disregard this lie along with the countless others and keep insisting that the president is a socialist Muslims who isn't even a US citizen. They'll insist that the deficit, the failed wars and even the financial crisis were all somehow his doing and they'll continue to defend the idea that under Republican leadership we'd be better off, though they can of course never seem to explain exactly why or how that would be the case. This is the Republican throw everything but kitchen sink until something sticks dirty politics attack strategy and it fits snugly with Mitch McConnel's statement concerning the GOP's one and only goal this election cycle, making sure Obama is a one term president. Conservative bully politics have made America into a dysfunctional family and it's becoming clearer and clearer to reasoned moderates and independents where the dysfunction stems from. So Right wingers and tea party enthusiasts, congratulations your knee jerk reactionary politics, your hyperbolized style of attack and your outright lies are beginning to catch up with you. As you continue to marginalize the independents who will decide the 2012 presidential election, just remember I told you this would happen back in 2008. ;-)




http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/conservatives-distort-cbo-data-to-claim-obamacare-costs-have-exploded.php

An ‘Obamacare’ Cost Explosion? Hardly — GOP Distorts CBO Report

Republicans and conservative media are cherry-picking a figure in a new Congressional Budget Office spending estimate (PDF) to assert that the cost of “Obamacare” has nearly doubled to $1.76 trillion. But the claim ignores the corresponding savings during the additional period of the spending projection, thus distorting the actual cost estimates of the law.

“The new CBO projection estimates that the law will cost $1.76 trillion over 10 years — well above the $940 billion Democrats originally claimed,” Rep. Tom Price (R-GA), the No. 4 House Republican, declared in a press advisory. Republicans on the powerful Energy & Commerce Committee said the CBO report “reveal[s] a shocking new sticker price of $1.8 trillion.”

Fox News and other conservative outlets have trumpeted the out-of-context number as vindication for those who warned that the Affordable Care Act will cost far more than advertised.

CBO’s actual revised estimate is that the “gross costs of the coverage provisions,” — the money used to provide people Medicaid or private insurance — has risen by about $50 billion over the 2012-2021 period since its previous estimate, from $1.445 trillion to $1.496 trillion. That’s the only relevant change to spending projections in the report.

So where are conservatives getting the idea that the cost of the law doubled? When it passed in 2010, CBO said its 10-year outlays would be about $940 billion. But because the law isn’t set to be fully implemented until 2014, when the coverage expansion takes effect, that initial estimate included several years in which the law cost very little. Now that it’s 2012, CBO’s 10-year outlook captures more years during which the law will be in full effect. The law’s price tag appears higher, but its costs in no way doubled.

Conservatives, however, want to use the effect of this sliding window to make it appear as if the health care law is a budget buster. But this latest CBO report focuses exclusively on the law’s spending provisions, and ignores its savings — the taxes and spending cuts, that also mostly take effect in 2014.

Indeed, CBO still holds that the law reduces the deficit by billions of dollars over 10 years. That’s just not in this report.

“CBO and JCT have not estimated the budgetary effects in 2022 of the other provisions of the ACA; over the 2012-2021 period, those other provisions were previously estimated to reduce budget deficits,” the CBO report reads.

All of which means that the cost projections have only experienced minor changes in the CBO report, a far cry from the conservative claims that the Affordable Care Act’s price tag has skyrocketed or doubled.


Added: Mar-21-2012 Occurred On: Mar-21-2012
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  • lol at these brainwashed, left wing, obama cultists...

    defending DEAR LEADER until the bitter end.

    dependent, stupid, parasites like you should not even be allowed to vote. we should amend the constitution to say that anyone who receives welfare of benefits within the course of one year cannot vote for that year.

    otherwise the worthless cult mob bigdaddystupidity belongs to will continute to elect petty dictators like obama, just for the promise of some of the other peoples money.

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    • @thinkslaughter

      ""dependent, stupid, parasites like you should not even be allowed to vote. we should amend the constitution to say that anyone who receives welfare of benefits within the course of one year cannot vote for that year.""

      Good idea mate. Wall St won't be able to vote, nor do big subsidized corporations, large oil companies and subsidized farming and pharmaceutical conglomerates.
      Any one who gets taxpayers' cash should be included, not just the poor, the work More..

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    • @God_Himself corporations vote?

      LMFAO!

      You are a fucking moron, case closed.

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    • @thinkslaughter

      Again, I have to agree with you. Corporation don't need to vote (even tho they're people according to Romney), they actually own your politicians from both sides. They let the sheeple vote so that they think they have a choice...

      Well done Einstein.


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    • @God_Himself

      When ass kicked you do a nice back pedal.

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    • @DOWNPLANE

      I'm guessing that English is not your first language.


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  • Good laugh, I shot milk out my nose. "we will save money in taxes" LOL "even though the costs appear to have gone up that is not for real" LOL

    I guess we will save trillions under obambi care now!!!
    Fucking most unintentionaly funny post of the year so far, thanks!!!

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    • @DOWNPLANE its funny because these cultists are too fucking stupid to even understand when they look stupid...its just normal everyday behavior for them.

      democrats are dumb as fuck.

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    • @thinkslaughter
      I'm going to quote Rush here(and I know that it will piss off the LL Libatards)"The Democrats are stuck on stupid!"

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    • @thinkslaughter Lol dude all you do is talk shit. You never explain anything, you never debate, you never have logical insults. All your capable of is poorly written insults. Makes you look like a child. Step your game up.

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    • @DOWNPLANE Dumbass the CBO factored in about 900 billion in savings setting the net cost to 950 billion, 50 billion more than projected. See you have no argument, you just say LOL that's not true... Lol. Explain why? What's that? You can't? As usual?

      Grow the fuck up. Instead of doing these mental gymnastics and falling back on your inane ad hominem try and prove your point with facts and logic. Like every conservative here you tie your ego so closely to your political beliefs that you can't ad More..

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    • @BigDaddyHarrison
      At least I do not think that the website you pulled this factually worthless "article" from is a viable news source.
      That puts me light years ahead of you in the intellectual department.
      You believe this I have some prime swampland to seel you and a bridge. You seem like a sucker.

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  • Regardless of cost, we (US Citizens) cannot afford it. The money trees have lost their fruit.

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    • @KingVolcano
      you summed up my point in one sentence... nicely done.

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    • @KingVolcano If only that 40ish percent who pay no taxes actually contributed..

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    • @KingVolcano

      Not true. There is plenty of money to bail out the big boys, plenty for the pentagon, plenty for Pakistan, Israel and Egypt, plenty for everyone else but sick American children...

      Go figure


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    • @God_Himself

      Wrong. The money used to "Bail Out the Big Boys" was nothing but added debt. A Debt that will most likely send this nation into default. Borrowing more money to pay for this scheme will not help.

      More than 2/3 of the money our government spends goes to entitlements. Not to the military, or forgein governments. Of all the money they spend, only defence(military) spending is a Constitutional duty.

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    • @tsnwi

      And what kind of austerity measures needed to pay it back??
      And who's going to shoulder the responsibility to clear the debt??

      One hint for you mate. It won't be paid back from any Tax Heaven. The US middle class will pay for it for sure. The least any government can do for these hard working families, is to make sure they stay fit and healthy so that they can work their ass off every day...
      Get it?


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  • nothing pisses off the left more than the truth

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  • yup... Desperate attempt from a lowlife living in california whose living the liberal dream in a bankrupt state...

    obama care sucks and the American people don't want it. See you in November barry

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  • 10 years of taxes and 7 years of benefits is Obama budget math at its finest.

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  • This arguement completely ignores the fact that there should not be ANY government healthcare reguardless of cost.

    You buy your own healthcare or you don't. Personal choice. If you can't afford healthcare, do you think a government mandate telling you to buy healthcare is going to make it afforadable?

    On the flip-side, let's say this Communist wet dream offers $1 healthcare per month. Do you really think that all your medical cost will be covered with that dollar? Will the nurses, doctors More..

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    • @Flashovr

      The argument didn't concern the idea that there shouldn't be 'ANY government healthcare'.

      No wonder your so confused. You don't even understand what the topic is.

      And communism? Child, don't use words you clearly don't understand.

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    • @Tanngrisnir3
      Haha! Tanngrisnir3, you are my new favorite troll. Feel free to look at my channel and then come back tell me if you want to dance.

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    • @Flashovr

      LOL. It's 'trolling' to point out that you haven't actually addressed the topic of the thread?

      You may be too transparently stupid for even this website, and that's saying something.

      You're my new favorite dunce who uses word's she clearly doesn't understand.

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    • @Tanngrisnir3
      So be it.

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    • @Tanngrisnir3 He was pin point right on. Forcing health care on those who don't want government involvement is wrong at square one. Why discuss what's being spent at that point?

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  • You can paint a turd gold, but it's still a turd.

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  • Right because every service managed by the governmet is under budget and turning a profit.

    Just look at the Post Office or Amtrak.

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  • It's not "conservatives" claiming this, it's the Congressional Budget Office. Based on their report, this may be just the tip of the iceberg. Watch the video of Senator Ron Johnson, questioning Obama's HHS Secretary. This power grab by the Democrats is a colossal failure even before it has been fully implemented.

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    • @tsnwi Do ANY of you fuckers actually read the articles when they're posted? Jesus christ read the article! The original 1.5 trillion price tag was reported by the CBO. What Republicans keep not mentioning is the 900 billion that will be cut from other programs and will be saved. That sets the net costs after these offsets to 950 billion, only 50 billion more than first advertised.

      Jesus christ.

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  • ~No, obungholecare WILL cost at the very least TWICE what they first said it would, this has been confirmed by the GAO and the obunghole democraps themselves. Try again, liar.

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  • This post proves nothing. The spending increased, like the CBO said, fact. Weighing in intangibles is just a trick used to con people into thinking they are actually getting something thats worth a shit.

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  • its not going to work,the doctors,hospitals,insurance companies and the drug manufactures are only out for money and "obamacare" is a cash cow for them

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  • Doubling of the cost is low. It may triple or quadruple in cost. The problem is not all of the costs are known at this time.

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  • LOOL at this drooling left wing cultist getting PWNED in his own propaganda post!

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    • @thinkslaughter Go ahead you fucking tool. Explain your argument. The only thing getting owned here is your GOP sponsored bullshit. You're just too dumb to realize it. Jesus christ this is hilarious.

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  • Will psychotherapy for libtardation be covered under obamacare?

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  • I noticed the repeated use of the term "Affordable Care Act" Who wrote this crap, the White House? Nobody calls Obamacare The Affordable Care Act except maybe Nancy Pelosi

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  • This is fresh. No one, including the writers of this catastrophic piece of shit bill, know what it's going to cost. The CBO doesn't know, Obama doesn't know, Dems don't know, the GOP doesn't know, and no one in the health care arena knows, including insurance brokers and business owners. I have asked my attorneys, financial advisors, insurance brokers, and elected representatives if they can give me any idea what to expect in 2014 AND THEY ARE FUCKING LOST. This bill is a unmitigated disaste More..

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    • @yorba

      Yet again you show how deeply your head is rammed up your ass. He wasn't raised in Chicago and if no one at all knows what it's going to cost, the conclusion that it's a disaster is illogical bullshit.

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    • @Tanngrisnir3 Not knowing the cost isn't a disaster? Would you buy a car not knowing what the cost is? Never mind as stupid as you are you probably would.

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    • @david2dogs

      The point, since you're clearly too thick to get it on your own, is that making hysterical claims about it, while openly admitting utter ignorance of it, is illogical bullshit.

      Back to your comic books, child.

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    • @Tanngrisnir3 It's simple dumb ass. EVERYBODY knows the cost is going to be MORE than the original estimate. The CBO is nonpartisan. The final cost is not known and won't be until it's all over. I'll ask again, would you buy a car not knowing what the final cost is? The only ignorance here is people like you saying don't worry, it'll work out.

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    • @david2dogs Scremaing that the sky is falling before you know is just as bad. They have a rough idea of the costs, and the Republicans are outright lying about the math to try and make themselves appear right, as this article and the recent politifact investigation undoubtedly prove the costs have not doubled and there is no data to indicate that it has. So we can sit here and do nothing while people in our country continue to suffer or we can do something and nitpick about the few extra billion More..

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  • Democrat Lies: virtually everything they say.

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  • It's hard to ding conservatives for squawking at the growing costs. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid did this to themselves. They back-ended the costs on a 10-year window and started collecting tax money for the bill from the beginning. Are the 10-year cost estimates going to go up? Well, duh. The original estimates were nothing more than lies.

    How this makes Obama and the Democrats look any better is beyond me. Whether the bill is going to cost $1.5 trillion or $1.7 trillion, that's still a lot m More..

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    • @jgmurj

      The problems with your argument are:

      a) The U.S. already has the largest economy in the world and is more competitive than places like Europe without having a national health system.

      b) Those investments that are good for the economy tend to be ones that build a framework for other industries to thrive. Health insurance? Not so much. Health insurers drain money out of the economy and put relatively little back in. With modern medicine, diets, etc., the best the U.S. could expect More..

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  • The majority of Americans dislike Obamacare. 53% of Independents think Obama is a failed president. Looks like a one termer to me.

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  • Obamacare is the biggest waste os money to date.
    No one...not even Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, or Obummer himself knows what the fuck Obamacare is other than it’s going to cost small businesses to close shop.

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    • @jgmurj I would say you haven't looked into it or you wouldn't have asked.
      Do you think small businesses can afford what Obamacare is??
      I'm not going to do your research...but you'll be surprised how it will kill mom and pop stores.

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  • I am so sick of the politics anymore. Articles like this are crap.

    The Republicans cannot afford to lose votes and pissing off the Democrats (swing voters mainly) is not helping them. They need to think smart and get more Democrats on their side if they want to win.

    Since the revolving "clown car" of Republican nominees have been chewing each other's heads off every week, none of them look responsible enough to run a country. Is this the high school election?

    If you say something b More..

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    • @Rhemis What the hell are you talking about? Let me sum this up for you. Prominent Republicans and Fox news have claimed that the CBO estimates of the costs for the PPAC have doubled. They didn't factor in the savings, misrepresented the CBO's findings and outright lied to the American public to try and demonize the president.

      Need it explained further?

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  • I want my Obama bucks, NOW!

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